Anthony bourdain. Who are you . I have a pretty good idea who im not at this point. Who i am, who knows the answer to that . You know, i will be judged by, you know, the people who remember me and quickly forget me. That was one of the few times that Tony Bourdain got people wrong. He is not going to being frommen any time soon. What a loss, just 61 years of age. Host of the awardwinning series parts unknown took his life in a hotel room in france. Its hard for us working with him but that is nothing compared to the pain for family and friends and most of all his 11yearold daughter arian. We are thinking of them and we are here if they need anything. Now in just a minute we talk with one of tonys friends. A chef andrew discipler who worked with tony and stayed close until his death. Tonys life was marked by unique style. Cull near curiousty and warned wander lust. And but his death and echo of loss of another figure kate spade looms large of a playing we have ignored. Suicide. Cdc released a report yesterday showing an uptick in rates in every state but nevada between 99 and 2016. Suicide stole nearly 45,000 lives cross the u. S. In 2016. 25 states had suicide rates of more than 30 . 54 more than half who have taken their life did not have a known Mental Health condition. And for everyone who dies hundreds try and thankfully fail. Often more than once. This is a crisis that spares no one. Gender, creed, color, our military, been hit particularly hard. Roughly 20 veterans a day die by suicide nationwide according to the v. A. The prevention hotline is going to be up for the duration of the show. If you need it, use it. But we understand there are many who will not come forward on their own. So later in the show were going to give you a tool that you can use that has been shown to be a live saver literally. But here at the top of the show lets not lose sight of the man who is now gone. For some perspective on tony lets bring in tv personality and fellow chef Andrew Zimmern. Thank you for being with us. Sorry for your loss. Thank you, chris. Nice to be here. How are you doing . Hanging in there. I mean, i have my own Mental Health issues that ive been pretty outspoken about. Im ive never been more grateful. Its probably been many years since ive been this grateful to have as much support as ive built around me and an incredible outpouring from friends and family, and others checking in on me which is fantastic and great support. Pu also really buoyed by the impact tony had during his time on earth. I think whats given me just enough of a wrinkle of hope and positivity on the day is seeing the incredible impact that he has had on our planet. Although then 30 seconds later i realize thats why i miss him more and feel we got short changed. How did you find out . I woke up im shooting in philadelphia where im coming to you from right now. My phone literally started beeping incoherently early this morning with notes from mutual friends of ours and close people who had told me the news. And at first it i thought it was the sickest joke that had ever been played until i started to see you know that there were 40 messages on my on my phone memos. I realized, my god, this isnt a joke. And i read i opened the first one i forget who it was from. And i swung my knees over the edge of my bed. And i always do a little morning spiritual checkin. And i just started crying. It was it was so, so sad. Ive been fortunate enough to be friends with tony for about 13, 14 years now. Although we have we put it together over many dinners and phone calls and texts over the years that, you know, we had bumped into each other, we were both cooking new york a long time ago in the its 80s and 90s. We both and ied the same college, he several year before me. Our paths were always crisscrossing. It was one of the clings early on when we started working at the fame same Network Allowed us to become faster friends than most. Tony was delightfully cynical. He was someone you needed to prove yourself out to. He didnt cotton to mediocrity of any kind. There was no time to waist on anything that was average. He did everything with gustavo and style and class and smarts. And if if you wanted if you wanted to be his friend, you feed to be you. He didnt like falsity of any kind. And i cant think of a friend of mine that could sniff it ou faster than he could, either personally or professionally. And i think that was the key to his great talent as a transcriber and interpreter of global culture, not just related to food but to music, art, i mean to movies. Tony knew more about movies than any other friend that i had. He was an amazing man. And an incredible chronicler of our times. As a cull nearen, one of the handful of people when they write a become about era 100 years from now, his name will be in there. He change the nature of the relationship that real chefs in real restaurants have to patrons and food and most importantly their own professions. And i think thats probably his greatest contribution. He changed the rules of the game completely. I was talking to a a mutual friend earlier, and, you know, in the 80s, his food network was being created, there was no people didnt have the internet in the palm of their hand. And we were used to chefs in white coats making things fancy. And food network was all talking heads behind cutting boards. And along came this short piece in new York Magazine that became the book kitchen confidential that absolutely changed the way we look at chefs in restaurants. And almost overnight singlehandedly evaporated one type of chef from our consciousness and elevated another chef into our consciousness. And he showed us the beautiful pirate ship of kitchen. The pirateship. Around the country and in the world. Yes. A pirateship. Its the right way to put it. It is. And he was he was an incredible for anyone who played team sports or worked in a kitchen or on a tv crew or anything where you have the camaraderie and spree decorps they can relate to that. But he was one of the most important cultural interpreters of our time. And unique. He would correct me and say its not about the food its about the people and the culture and the connection. And he was so so right it starts with the food maybe in the interest in the show but it goes well beyond. Let me ask you, when was the last time you spoke to your friend . We shared a couple of texts and a phone call two or three weeks ago. Any basing that he was in a bad place . No. No, not at all. The last couple of times i spoke to him i remarked to other friends of mine that i had never seen him as happy. He told me that in his in his relationship with his girlfriend not only had he never been happier but he never liked himself more. Those were his words. And we we actually were we had the occasion to text and then talk about a generous moment at an awards show that spike lee demonstrated to his girlfriend walking across the room to speak with her after an awards show in europe where she spoke out loudly about the hashtag me too issues of the day. Sure. And he he knew that spike lee had done something very generous to a member of my family that is has some Mental Health issues. And we we conversed it about it at length. Its interesting that you talked about the the unimportant nature of food to the conversation that tony liked to have with his audience in his shows. And thats true. We used to both joke that if we were doing shows, as long as you tell the same stories we could tell about it hard which are or plastic solo cups. I thought he was going to take a turn in his life. Food is a lot tatsier. How so. When we would talk about his show and his passions i love food and cook but i didnt have that cull near bond with tony. One day he asked me, what are you passionate about what is your thing. Nothing really. Typical stuff, family, whatever. I love to fight and his eyes got so big. And he had recently discovered bjy brazilian jujitsu and so passionate about it. The last time i spoke about his new season he said i know what i love about it, the struggle. And i thought that was so interesting, especially someone living a life of recovery as he was, that he loved the struggle, the difficulty of figuring ways through it and how to get out of it. And i thought that was such a reflection of his resilience and what he had learned about himself. And then this how do you make sense of it, andrew . I i dont make sense of it at all. Ive lost many friends to suicide. Ive been sober for 27 years and ive seen a lot of people not make it. Ive seen a lot of people relapse and take their own lives. Ive seen ive had a lot of friends who, you know, have done the suicide by accidental overdose. And it is it is something that you can never make sense of. And, you know, i think that, you know, in a few cases we can point to friends who have battled horrific depression very publicly. You know the Robin Williams comes to mind as someone who was very open about his struggle. And so when when the news came of Robin Williamss death, i and i did not have a personal relationship with the man. But there was a small piece of it that dsh that made sense. As if anything could make sense of someone being in so much pain. Right. That the only way out was to take their own life. I did not see that in my friend tony. And im i actually am the thing im im most afraid of right now is some some horrific thing that i didnt know about coming out, you know, in the news, in the next couple of days. And i pray that it doesnt. Because id rather be struggling with i dont know why than having some reason put in front of me and thinking that maybe there was something i could have done or said to help him. The idea that any human being, let alone someone you care about who is your friend, who has been there for you. Tony was always there for me whenever i wanted to talk about struggling in may own life. And was always far more interested in other people or news of the day than talking about himself. But i would you know, the idea that we we go to bed at night after night in so much pain until finally thats the only solution that comes to mind, to think of a friend or a loved one in that situation is just its agonizing me right now. And my heart is breaking for, you know, the people who loved him, his girlfriend. Yes. His wives, his daughter who i have relationships with many of those people. And its a very sad day for all of us. In the professional cull near world, in the world of television and storytelling where i come from. Right. And for his fans all over the world. Absolutely. Tony understood the trfrmtive power of travel as well as anyone. He almost created the idea himself. As americans especially we devour other culture was our mouths first. Well said. We take in and accept other cultures through food, which is why tony starts with food. Right. Which is why i start with food. But whats more important than food and tony few better than anyone are people and their stores absolutely. The things you can lrn on the road that transform you. And then you hope bit by bit to import a little bit of that back into your day to day life once you get back home, the things you lrn on the road. Were better versions of ourselves on the road. And i think tony loved the version of himself that was on the road, that struggle that you talked about. Well so many others did as well, andrew. And i have to tell you, i know this is a terrible time. My hope is that by talking about him and remembering the beauty of your friendship and what he meant to everybody else it will bring you a little bit of solace in a very difficult time. Thank you for stopping your shooting to talk to us. I appreciate it. Chef Andrew Zimmern thank you for doing. Really i am sorry for your loss. Later well have more about tony. And another member of our cnn family is going to join with us a very personal story that will teach us about the pain of suicide for those left behind. Plus, we really have something for you that youre going to want to stick around for. It has been proven to help you save someone who cannot save themselves. But straight ahead, the tense summit with six of our greatest allies, and the reason behind President Trump wanting to add another seat at the table for russia, next. George woke up in pain. But he has plans today. Hey dad. So he took aleve. 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What do i have . We know lab well actually we know very little about the strategy on both fronts. But its the outside optics concerning. First north korea. President trump went from being very tough to now all love for a known murderous despot. Why here is the gamble. By showing the love trump is hoping for peace. But look at the give and the get. This murderous regime has wanted for generations to get this type of seat at the table. And trump is hoping that he will get back nuke free peace pu. But its a big bet because north korea hasnt had to give up anything to get the gift of in summit. And they have never made good on this promise before. Thats the concern. You are giving a lot what do you get back . Russia now. What are you getting for the love to puotinen . Nothing. Very unclear with this g 7 strategy. The president dropped this nugget before he ended up to the meeting in quebec. Now breaking news, the white house says the u. S. Along with other World Leaders is kicking russia out of the g 8. This cochems after a senior u. S. Defense official tells cnn on the Ukraine Russia border, russia quote has enough troops they could move against ukraine at any time now. Donald trump has has never looked and sounded better that was erin burnett explaining why russia was kicked out. What the president said today is we have to add them become. They have to have a seat at the table. No one wants that. Why . Because of what you heard erin say. They got rid of them from the g 8 for good reason . What. Aannexed forcibly crimy from ukraine. The land grab we havent seen since world war ii. Russia is still there. And putting says he will never leave. Then after crimea what happened in 298 people blown out of the sky on flight mh 17. I was there in ukraine. I saw the troops speaking with russian accents, often in russian uniforms died by russia as being there. Refusing to let the dead receive any respect. We heard their subtle and in your face threats that there was more to come. And russia does keep doing more. Poisoning spies and hacking the power grid and hacking our election and other country elections. No apologies. Just chaos. No apologies. Yet truch wants to give them this gift. Lets get after it with a Trump Campaign adviser who worked in russia and knows the issues well. Michael capito is here. Lead with strength thats trump on everyone but putin. Once again he is trying to be nice to a man who imagined aiming missiles at trumps house. Why does he want to give russia a seat at the table . Well i think the president and in the run up to the election talked a lot about wanting a better relationship with russia, just like president george w. Bush did. Just like bill clinton did, just like barack obama did. And he had optimistic hopes for a better relationship. I think thats squandered now considering the things that have gone down between our nations especially in syria and elsewhere. Miebl so much has change, right. I get what he was saying before. Who doesnt want better relation was any super, or close to superpower. Then you go on the facts and circumstances. You you have the russian interference, Everything Else going on. Do you agree with the move to give them a seat at the table . No, i dont. I dont separate myself from the president on very many issues. This is one where i separate myself. You know, i lived in russia in the 90s when the g 7 dishneau dsh they called it, they tried to enlarge to the g 8 with refresh. The g 7 office in moscow headed that office my friend. And they tried to put russia threw tests and have things change in the country for the better. And in many ways, whether civil liberties. Right. Or free press or even economics before they considered them to be the bolshoi. And allowing them again without ive always thought that until the murder of the forbes editor is beirut to justice. I dont want to see russia in the family of man. Until the murder of Boris Nemtsov is brought to justice i dont want this. Many people dont know those names. They can google them and find find out. But you have 298 lives unaccounted for in terms of who took them. We know it was the russians that shot them down. A russian launcher. Im fine with going on the facts. I wish there was more urnlts by the Obama Administration and this one. But here is what i dont get. I dont get the disconnect. You dont agree with the move. Youre like a lot of people around the president you argue he wants to be strong on russia. He has been strong. But this happens and you dont call it out as either a real hypocrisy or just a move that is dangerous and shows that something is amiss somewhere in his motivations. Why now . Which not more people saying trump should have never said this . This is a mistake, dont do it. I dont know the motivations for it. Im not being called into the oval office to give advice backup. But if i were i would urge him not to do it. If the g 7 should do the same thing they did if the 90s and set up the operation in 90s and urge them threw a process make sure they deserve it. That would be being tough. I dont see how et cetera being tough on this guy. I dont get it. I cant imagine any other leader who could get away with donald trump with pretending to aim missiles at his house. Do you remember that video where putin says here is the new capability that we have. And they put up a map of florida and simulate missiles coming down where maralago is. And trump said nothing. Why, michael . Umhum, yeah. Well, i remember when ronald regan said were bombing in five minutes. There is a lot of miscommunication between nations. I got to believe that putin understands that Donald Trumps military killed 400 russians in syria when they attacked you know a base that contained American Military men. I got to believe that that the sanctions and other things that are still up against the russians between the americans and russians those things are taken seriously. I believe the people i know in russia are confused. They dont know what to expect next from donald trump. Perhaps this is a way, this g 8 proposal is part of a bigger strategy. My problem is i dont think russia is anywhere near ready for a reentry to the g 7, to the g 8. And there is a long onboarding process between now and then. It would be nice to know whats motivating this. For sure. Let me ask you Something Else more clear. The special counsel comes down new charges against Paul Manafort, a man you know well. Witness tampering, obstruction of justice. Not the kinds of things that an innocent man does. Not to prejudge, innocent until proven guilty. But rarely do you see somebody innocent tampering with witnesses. How do you explain this. I havent seen the evidence. I dont believe i mean this is out of character for Paul Manafort to do this. Ive seen it. That filing is thick miebl and they have tons of communications. Ive seen it too. They show a clear effort. I dont believe that paul did whats alleged. I dont know exactly what konstantin kilimnik, the russian ukrainian indicted in this new filing. I think were going to see more of this kind of hard push tactics on Paul Manafort because he is not declaring not pleading guilty and refusing to give information that doesnt exist on President Trumps alleged collusion with russia. How do you know it doesnt exist why would the special counsel. As far as i know it doesnt exist. Thats a difference very different. As far as i know it doesnt exist. But i dont believe i understand. But i dont believe i think pauls stuck in a bad spot just like papadopoulos is snuck a bad spot some of the other guys. They dont have anything to give. We dont know that. The president and none of the men and women around him i dont believe they do because i was on the inside and i heard the communications. Words matter. And when you dont fuel the misperception of known fact with how you feel about things youre free to have feels. But we also know at this point we know of know evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia. We know of none. Because it hasnt. It had nothing to do with the elections. Thats only at least in my case a function of what i have seen difficult ulgd through the investigation. But the idea right. That theres been no truth. What is this the 20th set of indictments we have seen from this person and guilty pleas. Certainly none of them on collusion with russia. We also know if you look at. Thats not true. But its no trump staffer who has been caught up in doing that. Right. But lying. They have. Lying about conversations like this. When you say theyre not going after manafort simply for a squeeze, right because they have indictments of other crimes unrelated to the collusion. But it does seem they were trying to squeeze him about this. This is my last question on this for you. Why would they go to the effort to squoez him telling him about the tampering but not charging, then going for a change in the release order but not charming and then only finally cartridging. That seems to be a stepped process where they believe there is more to get thats a lot of effort, isnt it. It is. Its the same effort that wiseman and his cohorts put into the enron investigation. This is chapter and verse of a federal investigation like this. I believe theyre trying to put pressure on Paul Manafort in the hopes he will give something on donald trump. I dont believe there is anything to give. So Paul Manafort finds himself in a Pressure Cooker with really no way out except to face them down in court which is what he plans to do. You spoke to him recently. How did he sound to you . You know, paul knew what he was signing up for when he decided to fight this. He knew the lay of the land then. He knew the men and women involved in the special counsels office all you had to do was look at enron and the Merrill Lynch executives who were eventually found not guilty put them in prison while they waited for that. Paul had to believe during this stage of the game that it was getting more difficult, wiseman and the rest of the prosecutors in the Mueller Investigation were turning up the heat. Its hot. Of course it is. But paul is standing up tall. He is going to he knew what to expect and is working with his attorneys and they still feel that theyll prevail. You Start Talking to people who are going to be witnesses in the case you are asking for trouble now he has it on top of the original charges. Well see where it heads up. Michael thank you for joining us this first week of the show. Appreciate your adding to the mix. Congratulations on a great week this week, chris. Thank you, appreciate. Up next, we have some great debate as the president s former Campaign Chair gets into even more legal trouble like we were just talking about, not just with mueller but also a grand jury. The white house has a Clear Strategy about how to deal with all of this. Undermine the special counsel. Say he shouldnt even exist. Lets hash this issue out once and for all. Next mom . Dad . Hi i had a very minor fender bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. But what a powerful life lesson. And dont worry i have everything handled. I already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. 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So lets get after it right now. We got rich lowry and kathryn rample here for the great debate. Good to have you both thank you for joining the show. Thanks. Hello. Rich we start with you. You heard the numbers. These are crimes if committed they will be tried. How is this not Proof Positive that the probe was necessary. Chris the way i think this should have gone down is there is a Public Interest in learning the truth about russian meddling obviously. And if there was any collusion. The best way to do that is not a prosecutor which is he is basically operating in a black box eye except for the indictments it would be a 9 11 style independent commission to get to the bottom of it and issue a public report. And the obstruction case to the extent there is one against the president of the United States shouldnt be undertaken by a prosecutor who under Current Justice Department guidelines cannot diet him for any crimes. But by congress in an impeachment inquire if the democrats take the house theyre welcome to do that. That would be the constitutional way to undertake such a yeary. Did you have the same complain during clinton. There was an independent counsel then as a matter of law. Whats the difference. Well, one, the independent counsel is trying reported automatically under law. Bad idea we pose the the independent. There was the same political process no both cases thats why they went away from the statute after they didnt want to renew. There was an agreement, chris. We werent going to do this again. You get all the process crimes. People shouldnt lie to the fbi thats wrong. But this is not the way to do politics. But we dont know we dont know the full fruit of this yet. We cone but there is no sign so far any of the indictments of a underlying kpirps. Understood. And if there were a conspiracy you would make people plead to that not just to the process crimes. Certainly there would be conspiracy. Collusion is not a crime on the becomes. It would be conspiracy. But here is the thing kathryn. There are two lines one is we havent gotten any paragraph. We never asked that in any other investigation by the way. When there is a murder trial noib says i didnt get any proof out of it today they wit for the jury to come back with a verdict. Not here. Why because we play politics. What do you think of the notion that what russia did and whether or not Anyone Around trumped helped there is no reason for special counsel rosenstein made a mistake. I think thats absolutely incorrect. I guess the real question here is what is the right number of emails that Trump Campaign officials should have exchanged with russian agents . What is the right number of meetings that they should have held russians agents . What was the right amount of business that the Trump Organization that the Trump Organization should have been pursuing through the russian government getting permitting for a trump tower in moscow during the election . These are all questions i would hope the answer is zero. We know the answer is not zero. I think its perfectly appropriate that those kinds of questions should be investigated by a seasoned Law Enforcement officer. We have seen a you know, parallel investigations carrying out on the hill. Its not exactly comparable to the 9 11 commission. But you can imagine how politicized those have been. Its hard to imagine that any sort of attempt for a similar commission this time around that was open to the public would not be similarly politicized. So i think its. Fair point. I think its appropriate that we have a Law Enforcement official investigating this, and that we are not sbiltsed to know day to day where he stands on things. I think that would potentially hurt the nature of the investigation. It would further politicized you cant say we want to foe and then were not entitled to know. Thats the problem with the criminal prosecution. Thats the the public has an interest in knowing. This isnt all about, you know, driving George Papadopoulos into the ground. And Paul Manafort, you know could have been indicted probably any time over the last five, seven years. And there is no reason that Eastern District of virginia couldnt have handled that case. You dont need a special prosecutor for that. I agree with you it would have been preferable if the crimes that Paul Manafort has been charged with, including Money Laundering tax evasion, conspiracy against the United States government, it would have been preferable if we had caught that several years ago. But you know what, we didnt catch it several years ago. And the reason why its in the cross hairs now why it came to the notice of Law Enforcement is because this is a guy who who is 17 million in hawk to pro russian interests. Strapped for cash, showed up at the door of a major Party Candidate and offered to work for free, which you know for a seasoned political hand is a little bit suspicious for the kids watching at home you know if somebody shows up at your door for frees and offers to run your president ial campaign, probably means youre not the customer youre the product. All of the red flags were raised as a result of election. Right. Alm of things. Youre getting no argument from me that Paul Manafort is dirty. And its been evident he has been dirty a long time and there is some indications he was on the Justice Department radar skren for a long time. Right. But there is no reason that that needs to be prosecuted by the special prosecutor. Here is the reason. Well end on this i have another topic i want to get your good minds on. Where it your confidence lowry that the politicians can handle this. Catherines point we have the parallel committees going op senate intel i reserve judgment lets see what they come up with ultimately. But the house, what a mess. What an idea that they would be the only sets of eyes on this situation. We would have never figured anything out, rich. Its so toxically partisan you needed something indent. I think in the political shock after the firing of comey, you could have stood up a serious independent commission. And that would have been a better way to handle it. We dont know, chris, ill change my mind about mueller if we see underlying facts but sore the indications are a typical special prosecutor probe that rumbles on and becomes legal om budsman against the administration its targeting. Thats not under the constitution the which things are supposed to be handled. Theyre supposed to be handled by politically accountable bodies. If he abused powers its for congress to take it up and start impeachment inquiry. Its not for the inferior ofrsds ins executive branch to take it upon himself to investigate the abuse of power. When mueller came up and this was happening trump didnt like it but there was no cry of nonconstitutional exercise here by anybody within the party. But lets leave that to. There were by some of my colleagues. Theyre not quiet people. If they thought they had a trng case we would have heard it at that time. There was a case and it was made by people. It wasnt necessarily made by republican politicians but im mot here to carry water for them. But im forcing it on you. Dont do it, chris. Let me ask you Something Else. Preexisting conditions, the president said he would leave them alone they were very important trying to deal with it. Now they back door it catherine. They have doj in the form of sessions through a policy move deciding to try to weaken the need of a requirement of preexisting conditions. Do we believe this is something that can happen in. Theyve already started doing it actually before the announcement that they were going to no longer defend this particular provision of the obamacare. Theyve done this through regulatory measures by increasing the availability of Short Term Health insurance plans plans not subject to the Consumer Protections which are guaranteed issue for people with prekissing conditions. This is not the first time theyve done it. And i think this is an occasion where its both bad policy and bad politics. Those two things do not always coincide as im sure rich knows. But in this case they do. Look, this particular protection you know making sure that people who have cancer, who have lupus. People will die. Yeah. I know people think thats hyperbollic. Ill contend you says rich where if you wont he want cover people bus of the condition you wind up making them susceptible to the same and worse maladies and you wind up have a lethality. This is not the only way you can take care of people with prekissing conditions. And the reason why the Obamacare Exchanges are so unstable and were unstable prior to President Trump. Because they got rid of the mandate. No they were already unstable. No they had largely stabilized if you look at the prices they had. Well, they doubled over the course of the life of law. Thats because things didnt do what they were supposed to do and make the pool bicker but go ahead. You provides out the middle class people who are not qualifying for the subsidies and cant afford health insurance. Thats a perverse law. And the regulations are driving it. What you want to do is have one way to handle it at least would be properly constructed, properly funded high risk pools to take care of people that its very difficult to insure. Then have low cost insurance for everyone else. The pools havent worked well and here is the problem process you leave it to the corporations to figure out how to protect the people with prekissing conditions they wont which is why. You can still is the regulation for high high risk pool. You could do that. But you price the people out final point and well go. Congress has shone no interest in actedly funding high risk pools. There are dinner ways to skin a cat as the expression goes. You could have the subsidies for people and have guarantees issue. You could have high risk pools. And adequately subds those high risk pools. But Congress Shows no interest in that. Right. You have to build on the system that you have or have the guts to come up with an alternative system thats adequately funded. 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Comcast, building americas largest gigspeed network. All right. I want to bring in David Axelrod right now, you all know him. Hes a pivotal part of our political coverage but hes giving us a special gift tonight. I want to remind people, after us were having a special tribute for anthony at the 10 00 hour, theyre remembering Anthony Bower dane. People arent going to know this, your family know this is pain of loss. Youve lost your father to suicide in the 1970s. You tweeted, please please let us treat messantal illness, pressure and suicide as Health Issues not defect of character. That stigma is what prerchtsz people from getting the help they need. Dhou you think we end the stigma surrounding suicide . Well, by talking about it. For several years i never talked public publicly about how my father died. I was 19 years old i was a student in chicago. A Police Officer came to the apartment knocked on my door, my roommate was reluctant to let him in, it about 70s. I said, no let him in. I knew when he asked that question something terrible had happened, he told me my father commit d suicide and i needed to go back to new york. The nypd wanted me to come and identify the body. It was just a stunning surreal horrific event. I didnt talk opinion it, i didnt talk about it for years and years and years because smu i thought it had besmudge my fathers memory to talk about how he died. I figured out it was all wrong. It was a Mental Health professional but he helped other people but he didnt reach out for help, didnt feel like he could reach out for help himself. I wrote a piece in the chicago transcribe bun on fathers day in 2006 talking about this. I got the greatest outpouring of letters and calls from people all over the country telling me that, you know, theyve been struggling with zbredepression they lost someone to suicide, they didnt think they could talk about it. Weve got to talk about these things. Maybe the one thing that will come out of those tragic deaths of tony bower bower dane and kate spade its a byproduct of how we treat Mental Health. What was it that made you decide to come out about this in 2006 . Well, i mean i thought long and hard first of all, i missed my father, it was fathers day, fathers fell roughly in the same vicinity of time when all of this happened in the spring of 1974. So, i was thinking been it a lot. I started thinking about why is it why am i so afraid to talk about this. Then i had to confront the question of was i worried about him or did i think somehow it was shameful for me that my father had committed suicide. And i was profoundly embarrassed when i came to that realization. Mental suicide is a consequence of depression, Mental Illness. When i heard about tony bourd ai n today it immediately took me back. I still dont know how my father got lost in that long dark tunnel where he felt he had no other way out or how tony did. We know that before people enter that tunnel, if they dont feel alone that you can perhaps prevent these things from happening. So, you know, thats why i spoke out then. I think we all need to be more upfront about this now and assure people who are struggling with depression and Mental Illness that its not a defect of character, it is an illness like any other illness and there are treatments for it. You should reach out and get help and its great that people are showing the suicide hotline thats going to be helpful. We all need to be much more open about these challenges. David axelrod, you are saying what people need to hear once again. This time its personal for you, not political, but you know what any implications will become political in terms of how we deal with this plague of Mental Health that deals with these types of deaths by suicide. Ax, thank you for helping us out. Thank you chris. Great to be with you. So, as ax was telling us. Anthony bower dane, kate spade, surprising losses. They did not die if a surprising way. Suicide is a plague that has taken more lives every year for decades. We dont talk about it because there is a stigma and a shame attached. Even the phone number on this screen, we put it up there. Its good to get the information out there and give people a chance. But theres an assumption, and its that people in that kind of pain will have the will to ask for help. But too often, they do not. The rest of us feel powerless to do anything, especially when the person in need never says anything. But, maybe thats because were not asking them the right questions. But you can. And in doing so, you might just help stop a suicide. Please do this for me and for yourself. Search online for colombia protocol for suicide prevention. Colombiapropertyforsuicide prevention. Go to my page, chris cuomo and youll see it. What are the six thing you can ask people that youre worried about. They wish they could go to sleep and not wake up . Have they started collecting pills . Gotten a gun . Given away valuables. Specific way to take on crucial signs. The may rerine corp rolled out suicide among active duty marines went down 22 in 2014. Thats a big number. Heres the catch, maybe its not the magic of the questions, the catch is that the protocol works because people care enough to engage. Thats another thing that is revealed by suicide, another dirty secret. We need to care, caring counts. It can literally be medicine for someone in mental or emotional suffering. So, reach out. Dont wonder whats going on with someone, ask them. We are all in this together and we need to show it. If you do, it can literally be a life save. Im chris cuomo. Thank you so much for being with me this week. Please stay tuned for a special cnn contribute remembering anthony bowurdain. I think everybody who listens to the parts unknown are elect tied
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