Redacted version of redacted version of the Mueller Report. Barr to answer questions about it but, and this has democrats on capitol hill fuming, he will take questions on the report that hes not releasing to congress and it the public until after 11 00 a. M. The chairman of the house judiciary commit ea saying this. The attorney general appears to be waging a Media Campaign on behalf of president trump. The very subject at the heart of the Mueller Report. Rather than letting the facts of the report speak for themselves, the attorney general has taken unprecedented steps to spin muellers nearly two year investigation. And demanding barr cancel his news conference. Sourcetleing cnn its expected to have relatively minimal earedactions on the subject of obstruction of justice. And mueller decideicide he could not which to a conclusion because it was difficult to determine trumps initant. And tonight telling president trumps not worried about the reare ports release. Joining me is Jennifer Rogers and michael moore. Good evening to all of you. Were learning that the Mueller Report is expected to have relatively minimal redactions. This is probably going to be the most revealing part, mob ea of this entire report. As far as we know none of that has been presented to a grand jury. So the department of justice, the attorneygeneral have more liberty to put more information out there about thattings have. Were going to get a wound into the investigations going on in the white house. People like don mcgahn. And a lot of concern about what he may have said to the special counsels office. Hes said to have spent more than 30 hours with them. So were going to get a window inside some of the conversations that the president was having with people in the white house about firing people, what the thinking was and that is where i think thats going to be most important for us and that this part of the investigation the devils going to be in the details. Its also the innerworkings of this white house. The president and the administration, some people may call it callous entry, buts some people are going to get a window into that. The report will reveal that mueller decided he could not come to a conclusion on obstruction of justice because it was difficult to determine intent. But it will offer detail blow by blowoff his alleged conduct, and other episodes at the center of muellers inquiry they added. What can questions does that raise for you, sir . Theres the question off intent. Thats the nature of making a decision about prosecution is you think about whether you can prove intent. The big elephant in the room is theres a question whether you can charge a sitting president anyway. Are we going to find out mueller was getting close to that . The problem that i see with where we are and whats happening now is were not doing things by the book. A long time in this investigation, as its rolled out, weve heard about department policy, now theres a policy not to threat grand jury rule. But there are other policies theyve bun saying they want to follow to keep this on track. Now barrs broken and were going to have a press conference and they can help prepare spin on it. Thats not normal. We dont have subjkt of an investigation so that they can decide after the fact. And starts to saddle up like other plauses in the world. Jennifer, we still dont know and do it. Was that supposed to be left up to congress . The recent reporting made it sound luke he did dicided there wasnt enough evidence but i think we need to know more before determining that. We should learn mortomorrow, especially if the redactions are light. We did hear last week at barrs testimony that mueller did not say in the report that he wanted to leave it to congress. I think well learn more about that tomorrow. Barr has been protecting the president every step of the way, including not revealing to us what muellers thing was so hopefully thats one of the things well find out tomorrow, 11 00 a. M. Or whatever it is. Hes not releasing the report until after the press conference. Its 9 30. Hours after his own press conference. I mean how does that make any sense, honestly . Ive been to many press conferences and what they do is give you the indictment so you can read through, decide whats umportant and questions you want to have. Its really weird theyre doing it this way and it leads avr within to believe terrirr trueing to control the narrative here. Why is he holding a press conference . He wants to talk about the processes, the thinking behind the redaction, the report, thoughts. Hes also expected to read a statement explaining some of his actions. They dont do that after . Right. You would think he would if you goier out what the news is. What you need to dive into. What more do we need ask the reporters are going to be in that room. We have very experienced reporters that are going to eboo unthat room. They know what questions to ask. But the idea youre going to do this before the report comes out is really strange and if you look at anyone whos been at the department of justice, its really strange you would do it this way. It only leads everyone to believe theyre trying to control the narrative. Thats exactly what hes trying to do. It looks bad. There are a lot of things you have to wonder. We all wanted to have faith in the new attorney general. Obviously there were a lot of concerns about jeff sessions. It should be concerning for all. Listen. This is a new era. Lets give him the been if the of the doubt. Thats exactly what theyre doing right in front of our faces. And we should stop pretending maybe ea theres a question about it. Because last week barr testified on capitol hill by saying he wanted to wait until the report was out before he discussed it. Im not going to say anything more about it until the report is out and everyone has a chance to look at it. So im not going to discuss it any further until its out. Im not going to discuss the conitanco contents of the report. Its going to be out next week and im not going to get into the detalls of the process until the plane is on the ground. Hes holding a press conference before the eare port is out. Thats what whos trying to do. Hes trying to shape the narrative and looks like theyre trying to cover up sthung. This whole thing stinks. We heard about color coding and he explains those. Theres nothing more to say unless they have changed something from last week. Otherwise all hes going to be doing is repeating what he said last week. Instead of whats in the report which obviously is ready for release. Theres nothing about this that smells right. If he actually michael, if he actually cared about answering questions about the report and aing this for the people in the back. The people who still have some idea maybe hes doing it because off this. He wants to answer questions about the report, wouldnt he hold a press conference after the report several hours or maybe the next day . Ua well, yeah, absolutely. Its like asking for a book report before you read the book. The problem when you have members of your own Team Investigating other members is you have this idea that its not a neutral investigation, that its not objective. Ill say this. The department has a long history of remaining neutral and being an honorable institution. Ive stood in the white house when president obama specifically said youre not my lawyer. Youre not here to protect me. Can you repeat that again. His comment was you are not my law ier. Youre herer to protect the United States. Youre not there do my bidding and thats whats been lost and i think theyre great people who work for the department of Media Relations office and the press office but barr is getting bad advice because hes tarnishing what has been built over decades and that is the independence of the department of justice. And thats the fear going forerward. And so this idea of were go having to a circuses of let me spin it out i spin it is sill a. And the idea there are two different versions, maybe im more conservative than mr. Barr. And i think Congress Works for me. They ought to be able to see the report and i ought to be able to see the report. I realize there are seals. I get that. But by and large the report belongs to the American People. And we ought to know that before being led down a path. The American People pay congress a salary, as well as William Barrs salary. The other thing that has come to mind for me is he took so much criticism by the Current Department of justice, because he held that press conference where he talked about all the things Hillary Clinton did wrong and email server investigation. The thing is this is the attorney general and he has a right to do it. Will they go into steps similar to jamed comey . And he took a lot of heat for talking about derogatory information that violated the department of justice guidelines. How does he deal with that . When people start asking him questions specifically about derogatory information . I think it did catch lot of us by surprise. Let me make it very clear to people watching. House judiciary chairman nadler said the planned press conference before congress before the people get to see the Mueller Report is wrong. Its tough to quit smoking cold turkey. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. 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Always discreet boutique. Hidden inside is a super absorbent core that quickly turns liquid to gel. So i feel protected and pretty. Always discreet boutique. The atnchy general is planning a press Conference Tomorrow at least an hour and a 1 2 befoere anyone has a chance to see it. The central concern here is not allowing the facts Mueller Report to speak for themselves. But its trying to take in the narrative about the renooport t the benefit of the white house. And hes doing it before the Holiday Weekend so its extraordinarily difficult for anyone to react. Its not the proper role of the attorney general. Democratic congressman ted deutsche of florida who sits on the Judiciary Committee joins me now. You heard. You were there. He said the attorney general is talking unprecedented steps to try to paint the investigation or spin the investigation yeah. What do you sning. Its true. And weve seen that already. Its been three and a half weeks since the Mueller Reports been completed. We saw him take a week to issue his findings in a fourpage sum erathat had about 400 words from a fourpage four words from a 400page document. Paurpt apparently weve learned that hes had multiple conversations with the white house about it and now he schedules the press conference so he can spin the story before it comes out. Send Rudy Giuliani to do a press conference. Hes the top law enforce oment official in america. I dont were having this press Conferences Tomorrow we only learned about because the president said hes having a press conference. I dont know whos idea it was. The motivation seems clear were go doing they want to get out in front of the story just as they did in the report which he put out his summary can which he hoped would guide the discussion going forward. So now the full report is ready. Now theyre going to try one more time to guide the way the discussion goes. Got to cancel his press conference. Show some report for American People and congress. And then if he wants to answer questions about it, absolutely we should be able to. Several different powerful committees asking him to cancel the press conference and let the American People read it, congress, pres read it and then later, if he wants to, fine. I had congresswoman Madeleine Dean on and she said she doesnt understand why hes holding a press conference. There is no reason, none at all for the attorney general of the United States to go out ahead of the release of this report and do what . The only thing that we can surmise is hes going go out there knowing whats in it and the conversations whos had with the white house, knowing the concerns the white house has and to try to address those concerns. Youre not insunuating whos acting on behalf of the white house are you . Look sarcasm. I understand. Look, when the attorney general went to capitol hill and threw around the word spying, he dud because the president was listening and thatted all to coup detat. And when the top Law Enforcement officer does this t plays into what the president does, which is the ongoing assault against t press, judiciary, men and women in the Justice Department. He said i believe and then he walked back. The top Law Enforcement officer in the country would know that information and if he hasnt come out with it yet, chances are he hasnt. Ive got to ask you about the Washington Post asual. Minimal redactions on obstruction part of the report. You buy that . I hope thats true. All weve been doing almost a month is speculating what were going to see. Whats so interesting in the reporting is the reference to the fact that theyve reached their decision. He summarized it by saying he couldnt kpaun rot but there wasnt enoughf to find the president gulty. In the reporting tonight it says and could be viewed innocently. And it means perhaps theyre not going to be interpreted that way. Thats one of the things very smart man. And when i read the first report and he said its complete and total exoneration, it says they didnt establish people in the Trump Campaign conspired. Right . And then said it didnt exonerate him. And said this is a complete exoneration. You are supposed to get a less redacted report. That just comout today in court. I read that are port, chairman nadler read that report. None of us got the message that were getting a less redacted report. I hope its true. Its clear theyre doing this to start spinning the story. The only thing that could drag out longer is if they wrot it out by hand and send it out by horse. Pony express. And the holidays and important Holiday Weekend with passover and easter. I think they hope people will focus on it for maybe a day and move on. Everyones anxious to see what the mueller team came up with, unaddition to all the people in jail what theyve come up with over the past few years. Dont forget smoke signal. 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Barrs letter about the mueller eare port said the report did not establish that mmbers of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in its election interference activities. Theres a lot that we dont know about what happened between team trump and russia. And im so glad were doing this because that is the core of why mueller was chosen. I was just looking at the man dot of his when he was appointed. And its about this issue. And while ib do not moon toden great obstruction of justice. It is key. It is a crime. I thunk were focussed so much on that that were forgetting weve already seen so much evidence through these cases, pieces that were making no sense to us. So what im hoping for is figuring out a narrative of what in fact was russia doing . Why were these meetings with the shell and the bank and you name it . And if it falls short of collusion or conspiracy, what was it then . What was it . Because its not benign. And it just that the president is compromised and can cares more about his businesses than the United States. That might not be a crime but i, as an american citizen would like to know that. I think a lot of americans would like to know that. How much are we going to see on possible collusion because there might be so much Sensitive National security information involved . I think you will see less on the collusion part than the ubb instruction of of justice part. Whats really important is what actually happened and i think was there a giant conspiracy by the Trump Administration . Maybe not. I think were going to pick up and get a better idea that trump himself lack any moral compass when faced with a very intense effort to undermine our process. Lets talk about our trump tower meeting, speaking of things he were going to learn. I think its going to be in the details. Because you know where they said some of it could be construed as innocent and it mouth be. The president s son in law, his Campaign Chairman met with a russian russians claiming to have dirt on Hillary Clinton. First don jr. Said it was about adoption anden the admitted it was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton. And the president initially hped craft that cover letter. Do you think were going to get answers to those questions . We may. But theres still some investigations are going on. Lets remember what woo already know. One is the meeting occurred with no notification by anyone in the Trump Campaign to the fbi that the russians were offering dirt. The are lies about the meeting, a couple dozen. We know that from muellersings have. And then theres the cover up by trump about what the meeting was about. Nt and to the meeting, the fbi briefed the Trump Campaign about attempts by the russians to get into their campaign and muddy up the democratic process. At no stage during this entire couple month period do the trump people say you know what . We actually were approached by them. We met withthem. And there may not be the intent. They lied about a meeting that thaw were willing to have to get dirt by a foreign entity about an about the election and the other candidates. And we know about Paul Manafort and business associate with russians, right . Remember that . Jeffrey, barr said that mueller found that campaign didnt conspire or coordinate with russia. Actual what he said is that the investigation did not establish that mmbers of the Trump Campaign conspured orrer coordinated with its election interference activities. So is it possible we will find out even more efforts by russians to ehelp the campaign that we didnt know about . Im not overly optimistic. I think a lot of that will be redacted because of National Security issues. Why is that . Probably to protect sources and methods. Different ways of pucking up communication. 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House democrats are holding firm in their demands for the full Mueller Report, setting the stage for a big legal battle with Trump Administration. Want to bring in former watergate prosecutor and the author of relic, how our constitution undermines effective government and why we need a more powerful presidency. Now that is a book title. Thank you, gentleman frror joing us. House judiciary chairman, nadler has the power to issue a subpoena. I think a great dial hinges on how much is redangted and what we learn from what isnt redacted. I dopt think year going to see a fullon constitutional show doun. Theres too much at play. It the lukelihood its going to come to a head given what we know in the Mueller Report, i think its unlikely. So not a constitutional crisis . I dont think so. The attorney general has a fair bit of discretion of what to release and what actions to take just as congress has the power to subpoena, those things maybe put at odds. If they are at odds, the courts will likely push both parties to come to a political decision and it may well be the houses democrats and the administration have incentives to come to some kind of accommodation. Okay. So lets bring john sales in. So much is at stake in seeing the Mueller Report. I wonder what you think of what william said. Are we headed for a constitutional crisis . I lived through a real potential constitutional crisis at the time of the saturday night massacre in watergate when the president was going to defy a court order. Er for thats what i define as a constitutional crisis. I think you have to go back to Andrew Jackson and it was the weight of Public Opinion that caused the president to back off. But a constitutional crisis would be if the president says to the court im going to defy your order. Thats when the three branchs of government not the two, the three. I do think this matter is going to be decided by the courts. Because congressman nadler said he has that subpoena ready to go. And theyre demanding an unredacted version. Terrirr not going to get it. Im wondering if were at a Tipping Point. And what you thing of the president pushing the limits of executive power in the administration if he tries to with hold this report. He did. Are we at Tipping Point, you think . I am not sure if Tipping Point is right. Theres continuities toric uginize and in the modern era, really post fdr we see president s consistently pushing outwards on the boundaries of power. They look for ways to expand their authority to meet public claims they cant possibly meet when you have a narrow reading of of the constitution. On the other hand weve seen a pliticization and the Justice Department in particular taken to new heights. I think there are heightened concerns about barrs action and relationship with trump to thex tent which hes acting independent of trump. There are unique issues that we face that have real bite to them. Are they all new . Is it structurely different than anything we saw and an acute moment in front of us. Madeleine dean about the Mueller Report and heres what she said. Congress will not be denied. Watch. We have a constitutional job to do on behalf of the american pop tool mock sure we gt at the facts and evidence of what happened in the interference unour election. And i dont think contorgzs of attorney general will last very long. She seems certain the law is on her side. Fortunately thats what the courts are for. But i think the criticism weve heard all week from political people, legal people is rool really unfair. Hes doing what he said in the conformation hearing. Transparent as possible, subject to the law. And i think hes going to give the congress more than theyre expecting but he cant give them grand jury testimony. Theres a cosdecided two weeks ago that thsds koertd does not have inherent power i dont want to get too lawyer like but in certainb exceptions. Were go having to to wait until it all comes out. One thing about the attorneygeneral. To take the job at this stage in his life, i dont think whos going to want to go down as the attorney general in charge of a cover up. But all the criticism of him is premature. But hes not doing impactly what he said. He wanted to wait for the plane to land. He did not want to comment before everyone got to read the report. Hughes hes holding a press conference before the report is being released. About a report that no one has written. How should one not be critical of that . And he didnt say whos doing the opposite of what he said in the hearing. Because were assuming what the press conference is all about. I dont think hes going to talk about the report. I think hes going to talk about the prauszs thats been fall eoed. He gave the process last week. Whats new unless its changed . Why hold the press conference then . All im saying is i think that would be a fair question to answerer at ten tomorrow. Thats the point im trying to make. I think whats really at stake is what do we learn from the report and more generally when are we going to see meaningful leadership on the threat that it clearly establishes that russia intervenes in the russia in 2016 and constitutes a threat moving forward as well. This is something the president hasnt stepped forward on offering mooningful leadership. Whether orer not he polluted or not. Well see soon enough. Thank you, gentleman. I appreciate your time. Whos idea was this . New lower price. Wow. Thats a lot of asparagus. Yeah, you said get a bunch of asparagus. Oh, you. A bunch. I. Thought you kinda. A bunch. So, youre open all day, thats what 24 7 means, sugar. Kind of like how you get 24 7 access to licensed agents with geico. Hmm . Yeah, you just go online, or give them a call anytime. 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Im recused by when people accused us of overcharging cases, 16 counts on a class 4. Washed up celeb who lied to cops, 16 counts. Just because we can charge something doesnt mean we should. Shes talking about the disparity between the charges given, we think, between smollett and r. Kelly. Given fox recused herself, were the texts appropriate . Texts were not appropriate. No question there. And she knew they werent appropriate, why she began by saying so ive recused myself, but let me tell you what i think about the charging decision you made, and then as you know she went on to even suggest an outcome that she thought was appropriate in the smollett case. Explain to our audience why only a partial record was released . The freedom of information act, the news media requested all of the Text Messages, surrounding kim foxs involvement to figure out why the case was dropped. So there was a dump of about 3,000 Text Messages and emails yesterday, whats interesting is not so much what the news media and what we in the public got in terms of the Text Messages you referred to. Whats actually most interesting are the set of Text Messages between kim fox and her first deputy that we did not get, that the office is wisconsthholding. If shes recused there shouldnt be any Text Messages between her and her assistant about the Jussie Smollett case. The office is not turning the Text Messages over. With will be able to see them eventually . Its unclear whether well be able to see them. The im sure the news media will be challenging those. And im sure the investigation thats being done by the Inspector General would want to look at those, but its fairly clear, given what they told us about those texts when they withheld them that theyre clearly texts about the Jussie Smollett case between kim fox and her First Assistant. And in certain of those texts which took place on the day the charges were dropped the office, the explanation they gave for not giving over those Text Messages was they were involved the deliberative process. In other words, the office is essentially conceding that she and the First Assistant were talking strategy about the Jussie Smollett case, a case where the next day when she was interviewed she claimed to have absolutely no conversations about the case with anyone in her office. Do you think somethings its really disturbing. Do you think something is fishy here . Because people are calling for her to step down, they think because of her handling, what do you think, should she . I dont have an opinion as to whether she should step down. I think she was elected. But i do think she ran on a platform of transparency, a platform of integrity. And whats going on now in terms of what the public is being told and the deceptions and the withholding of documents and the secrecy and the different explanations it undermines the reason she was elected and it undermines confidence in the Justice System in cook county which has suffered enough over the last four years, and really doesnt need whats going on now. Eric, we always appreciate you, thank you so much. My pleasure. Thanks for watching. Our coverage continues. It is such a good time to kiss it is such a good time to dance it is such a good time to [ laughing ] scoobidoo doobidoo scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. Progressive helps keep you out there. Little things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. 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