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A recap of the days news. Twitter and apparently from watching me on cnn, which he denies, by the way. I know this because he has tweeted a nasty hateful swipe at me and lebron james weve been discussing here. Youve probably read about it or saw it somewhere. I sat down with an nba great after lebron just opened a school for 240 at risk third and forty graders. And during our conversation lebron said this. We are in a position right now in america more importantly where this whole race thing has taken over, and one because i believe our president is kind of trying to divide us. But for him to like i said use sports to kind of divide us is something that i cant i cant sit back and not say nothing. What would you say to the president if he were sitting right here . I would never sit across from him. You would never . You wouldnt want to talk to him . No. I would sit across from barack, though. He made lebron look smart, which isnt easy to do, i like mike. Unlike this president who lashes out loudly at anyone who criticizes him, i have pretty thick skin and lebron james in addition to being a brilliant black man, a superstar in his sport and a hero to his community is taking a high road, which is exactly where he belongs. Since this president has used so many insults so often, the president has called a lot of people stupid, some of those people are right. But i would like to note referring to africanamericans as dumb remember this is america. Referring to of concern american as dumb is one of the oldest parts of americas past and present that black people are of inferior intelligence. And pretty much everyone and anyone in this country reacted. Heres what dan rather tweeted. Id much rather live in a world reflecting the values, philanthropy and yes intelligence of lebron james than the divisive peevish lies and narrow selfinterest displayed by the president of the United States. This tweet from barbara sttrisa. Why is he constantly projecting onto others what he knows about himself. Rather than criticizing king james we can be celebrating him for his Charity Efforts to help kids. Even Michael Jordan is weighing in congratulating lebron for the work hes doing for his local community. But maybe cnn commentator keith boykin listen to this summed it up the best with this tweet. In trumps world obama, Maxine Waters, low iq, black countries, shut holes, black athletes sobs, black tenants unwellic, black workers lazy. Central park five, guilty. Mexicans, rapists. Muslims, terrorists. Indians, fake. Nazis wait for it very fine people. Notice a pattern . This president constantly denigrates people of color and women too. Congress woman Maxine Waters his new favorite target. Maxine waters, a very low iq individual. Maxine waters. A low iq individual. She is a low iq individual, Maxine Waters. I said it the other day. I mean honestly shes somewhere in the mid60s. Maxine waters. Very low iq. Low iq. But then again this is the same man who for years tried to deny the legitimacy Of Americas First Black President by Questioning Over and over and over and over whether barack obama was born in this country. I want him to show his Birth Certificate. Theres something on that Birth Certificate that he doesnt like. I brought it up just routinely and all of a sudden a lot of facts are emerging and im starting to wonder myself whether or not he was born in this country. I would like to have him show his Birth Certificate. And can i be honest with you, i hope he can. Because if he cant if he cant and if he wasnt born in this country, which is real possibility, if he doesnt its one of the greatest scams in the history of politics. And black athletes who kneel during the National Anthem as a former protest against racism and police brutality, well, they get this disrespect. Wouldnt you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field right now . Hes fired. Hes fired this week marks the one Year Anniversary of that violent and deadly White Nationalist rally in charlottesville. The one where angry white racists carried torches and shouted antisemitic slogans including jews will not replace us. The one where heather heyer, a 32yearold young lady was killed by a bigot who intentionally drove his car through a crowd, a crowd that was there to fight against the hate. But this is how this president famously characterized that. You also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. Cross burnings, tiki torches, white hoods replaced by no hoods and khaki pants, these are the very fine people in the president s eyes. And yes, let me not mince words here. This president traffics in racism and is fueled by bouleyinboule bulling. President trump is trying a Divide And Conquer strategy here and heres how it goes. He divides by race and tries to conquer decency by smearing and besmirching the truth and the people who fight to uphold it. Ive wondered sometimes, youve seen chris and i, i wonder if he will succeed. If President Trump who has his finger on his hes the one who has his finger on the pulse of this country. Is he revealing who we really are . Think about that. Is this who we really are . The overwhelmingly negative response to his unfair and unkind attack on a good man, lebron james, Shows America rejects what he is pedaling, most of america anyway, not all of america. But what about the impact his policies have without a platform through sports like lebron or through media like me . What about those who dont have a voice . What is his presidency doing to them . The kids separated from their parents at the bord, the kids who dont have the chance to attend lebrons school or any halfway decent school, the parents who cant honestly you cant honestly tell their children to be proud of a president of the United States. The people of color who are attacked by their fellow citizens who feel emboldened to be publicly racist because the president is. Will the country stand up for them . We, the decent and truly patriotic people who really love america and believe in its greatness have to because clearly donald trump wont. I want to bring in now cnn commentator charles blow, steve cortez, former Trump Campaign advisor and annie carny White House Reporter for politico. Well discuss all of this right after the break. With our largest variety of crab all year like new crabfest combo. Your one chance to have new Jumbo Snow Crab with tender dungeness crab. Or try crab lovers dream. But hurry in. Cause Crabfest will be gone in a snap. 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And i do believe that. I think it was a mistake to go after lebron james. Look, id love to be as dumb as lebron james if thats dumb because hes not only the greatest athlete in the world in my opinion, he also is an incredible businessman and he has a great heart. Not just writing a check, that would be enough, because also being deeply involved in the curriculum. Whenever i hear about him the last thing i think of is dumb. My advice to the president who as you know i have Great Respect for, my advice to him is he should follow his wifes lead. We can praise the great work hes doing there. We can ignore the fact he personally doesnt care for the president. And i encourage the president like melania did to reach out to him, i think that would prove a lot to country, we care about the great things youre doing, youre a private citizen and how can we learn from each other in that regard . I hope the president will do that. Im very glad the first lady did. I am a private citizen, and i didnt run for office but i am a public figure here but i take the criticism just the president of the United States should be better and should do better and should not be tweeting bad things about nba stars or cable news anchors. Its just beneath the office of the presidency and he should learn that. So i want to bring in charles in. Charles, this is from one of your latest columns. Thank you so much for writing it. Donald trump has a pension for labeling particular people. It might strike some as just another insult from a Petulant Urchin of a man who insults everyone with who he takes issue. But i believe the nature of his intults to specific kinds of people Say Something more about the character and nature of the man, something which he may or may not be aware. I believe that the fact he so often attacks the intellectual capacity of women and minorities exposes a racial and gender bias. You think theres a pattern . Absolutely. The New York Times does a great job of Keeping Track of literally every insult. I went through that database and tried to see what patterns emerged from that. There are political opponents and he would say a lot of things about them. And people who would disagree with him on specific policies and he would attack that person because of that. But only with minorities and women did he use them as tools of division, right . So these were not his political enemies. They had no impact on policy. These were just people who disagreed with him, and he would in many cases some people had difference in some policies so elizabeth warren, he uses her as a tool, right . Shes not involved with him on a policy issue, he just wants to say the word pocahontas. He just wants to use maxine you know a lot of democratic congressmen who vehemently disagree with this president are on television all the time saying how much they disagree with him, senators, too. He does not use them. He chose the black women and says this is their new hero, and no one is saying the mexicans are the face of the party, but he wants to make her that because it is useful to him. Because it is a weapon and a tool. Just say it because because its race and misogyny as well because he likes the idea of using her. And that happens over and over in his insulting. He will pick someone hell pick, you know, athletes like lebron, pick you. But he wants to find a face. And he likes the fact that that face is female or minority. And its easy to beat up on them in his mind. Annie, the timing of this tweet from the president comes just about a year after charlottesville. And you in your piece for politico you write about the real lesson trump learned from that episode and ultimately he came out unscathed, right . In the shortterm, absolutely. We saw a year ago republicans on the hill distancing themselves from him. We saw executives quitting his business councils. We saw a lot of hemming and hawing among white house staffers whether they would leave the administration and cohen privately expressing consternation. A year later everyone sort ofs has crawled back one way or another. The corporate ceos are having dinners privately just at ivankas house or jareds house and no one quit. I think in the shortterm is that nothing matters. The fifth avenue principle, his poll numbers are at an alltime high of his presidency, his fox news crew is still behind him. And from a Historical Perspective will this put him on the wrong side of history, that is question well find out later. But a year later hes doing just fine. Steve, i wanted to make sure you got in. I think thats unfair and the facts dont bear out. Okay, i dont believe its at all racial, and heres why no, heres why. Im about to give you facts, don. That was charles. Sorry, charles. Here, are some of the facts, people hes called dumb, people like mit romney. Political opponent. Like i said, political opponents. Go ahead, keep going. How about the way he criticizes people like chuck todd and joe skacarborough, if u want to go into media. He does not seem to hold back regardless of gender or ethnicity at all. And in all those cases, by the way, ill also defend him on this again i dont think he should go after lebron because hes not in politics. In all these cases these are people that come at the president first. Hes probably going to punch back harder than you gave it to him in the first place. Hes the Floyd Mayweather of politics. I dont want him to do it against people who arent in the political arena but he does it regardless of gender or race. I just want to say, youre going to get in, but i didnt attack him. I was interviewing lebron james. He chose to attack me. You didnt that night, but, don, you have called him a racist youve called him a racist. It is a punch to the throat of the president and he punches back and thats totally fair. How much more evidence do you need . How much more evidence do you need . Being a racist does not mean walking down the street calling people the nword. It is what you do, your practice. It is what you say, how you treat people, who you hang out with, it is what comes out of your mouth. Its not active like, oh, my gosh, you catch someone in the act being racist. You judge people on their lies and their action. And thats what ive judged from his action. And know this administration is fact challenged but all you have to do is look at the facts. No, im not yes, you are. This is again a whole bunch of things that are not related to each other and tries to get around the actual facts we put on the table. Thats what you do. Ive seen you on television a million times and its kind of clever but its not clever with me, right . The idea that he uses particular people as as weapons, as clubs when he goes to his rallies, that he constantly comes back, and this has been reported out, that he thought that him attacking those nfl players played well politically for him. So he used them. They werent constantly coming at him, which is the lie you just told. They never mentioned him. But yall let him come in here and lie. But he keeps coming back at them because it works for him, and look at those men who are kneeling to protect the lives of other black and brown boys and men who have been shot by the police and doing so quite frankly in one of the most peaceful ways you could possibly do it, not even saying a word, just going down on a knee, it is literally one of the most peaceful ways of protest you could think of. But he knows that people in those audiences dont see that. They see black men being disobedient, and that is what he is using. So you can charles, This Is Brown face he can tell another lie on tv, which what he does. Can you stop calling me a liar . You lie all the time and this its very apparent to anybody whos watching. Let him say his piece. This is brown face, by the way, who appreciates very much what this president is doing for my community and communities of color in this country who are more prosperous and more secure they have been. And by the way, a brown face that is sick of being taken for granted by liberals who want to keep minorities in a political plantation where they are dependent on government and where their views are only respected at election time. And that i believe is real racism. They constantly no, its not a dog whistle. Im saying the democrats want that mentality. Only black and brown republican use the Plantation Metaphor because they can get away with odoidoing it. And its the dog whistle to white people saying i would like to say that but they would call me racist so thank you black and brown people because they would call me racist. Why dont we take a break here . Steve, im going to let you talk on the other side. There is a difference between, a huge difference that America Needs to understand about people who perceive themselves to be forgotten because of political strategy or because of politics or because someone is trying to use them in their vote. Theres a difference between that and people who have been historically forgotten about and discriminated against. Theres a huge difference in that. One is a perception, the other a reality. Well talk about that when we come back. Morning. Morning. What do we got . Keep an eye on that branch. Might get windy. Have a good shift. Fire pit. Last use 0600. Id stay close. Morning. Get ready to switch. Protected by flo. Should say, protected by alan and jamie. Right . Should it . 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Democrats ive talked to senior Democratic Roperatives wo say their fear in 2020 is that this conversation we have tonight will define the race, forcing them to maybe outleft each other in an attempt to win the primary and then come out too bruised and too far to the left to win a general election. And the news you started out your show here tonight saying you dont like to be the story. We shouldnt be the story but then trump says certain things that demand a response. Both of these tools are productive for him in that he is shaping what his opponents are discussing at all. Steve, as of last week the Washington Post tallied up 4,229 false or misleading claims from the president in 558 days. They also point out how the president often repeats the same false statements. Hes trying to get his narrative out there on the economy, on trade and on jobs. And when we call him out for getting something wrong, were fake news . Yeah, don, listen, ive looked at that list, not every one of them because its exhaustive. But ive looked at that list and the vast majority of those are either opinions or hyperbole, so cleary not lies. If you want to say the washington times then youll have to deal with that thats right. The racism now unfortunately in politics has become the scarlett letter. Its an r instead of an a. Once we put it on somebody because we disagree with policy theyre marginalized and castigated and regulated to a spot. And thats ludicrous. The policies weve been following for decade before donald trump is disastrous for people of color. If you talk about race, how would you relegate it people do it all the time. Im a liar, and i support a racist why because i believe in better trade deals to protect work, many of whom are minorities you dont think certain policies can hurt certain people of a certain ethnic background and therefore by default are racist . You dont think its okay to criticize people for doing that . You dont think its okay to criticize you if you come on here and you tell a truth when theres demonstrable proof that what youre saying is false. Of course, but i havent said anything false. For example, is it racist, by the way to control our border or is it actually racist to say were going to allow a million plus workers a year as weve done for a generation in this country so they can compete against legal citizens, against africanamericans in the labor markets, particularly the trades. I would say, sure, it is racist. The way you do it can be racist. Can we deconstruct it . Everything its still problematic. So this idea of trying to Pit Minorities against each other, which is what that does. You dont want im your best friend because im not going to let hispanics come in to compete with the other hispanics who are who are not citizens. Let me talk. That framing is already problematic and already pits the minorities against each other. And what you need to ask yourself is why is it in america that the black and brown people in america would be the lowest rung on the ladder to be competed with, right . So what structures are creating the environment that make black and brown people competing at the lower end, and that white people are safe somehow at the higher end . All of that framing is problematic. When people try to say this is not no, putting those black or brown kids in those cages thats a problem. Because i dont see anybody from canada in a cage and i dont see anybody from a visa in a cage. Theres a race problem there. To be continued. I appreciate your candor. Go ahead quickly, please, steve. I agree with you by the lack of opportunity. Youre exactly right. And what im saying is donald trump is creating that opportunity. The numbers show it hes riding Barack Obamas wave. Because he did not screw up the economy that barack obama created, that he deserves all this im just being honest. Imagine if he had inherited the economy that barack obama had inherited . Do you think that he would be do you think he would be in this place that he is now . I dont think so. He should be happy that he inherited a good economy and just move on and take ownership of it and stop demonizing the former president and the former president s policies and say im glad i inherited a great economy that was on the up swing and were going to keep it moving. Thats the reality of it, but that doesnt play well to his base. No, it was great for upper, upper 1 of america, and unfortunately there arent many black and brown people in that group. The Working Class wages had stagnated if you look at the graph of that it is a continuous line for black unemployment falling. Ive got to go. Were over. Thank you, steve. Okay, thank you, guys. I appreciate your time. Well be right back. 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Ill tell you, don, it was a remarkable standoff because you have rick gates sitting about 10, 15 feet away from manafort at the defendants Table Staring at rick gates, rick gates avoiding the gaze of Prosecuting Attorney but Manafort Staring at him with arms crossed a as gates listed a series of alleged crimes that gates said he performed along with manafort at the direction of manafort including setting up 15 Foreign Bank Accounts that they deliberately kept hidden from u. S. Authorities to avoid taxes, filing fake tax returns of course to avoid taxes. Also things we did not know about prior to his Testimony Today Including Gates admitting that he stole money from manafort to the tune of Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars by filing false expense claims. So a whole series of things there. And the key, gates saying not only did manafort know about it, not only did we do it together but gates saying that he did these things with manafort to rather under manaforts direction, don. Listen, rick gates is expected to take the stand tomorrow and be cross examined by manaforts attorneys. How do you think the defense will counter gates testimony . Theyll come at him really hard, and this is the big shot theyre taking. They said in opening this is what they were going to try to show. I think this rather than even manaforts testimony is where theyll roll all the dice. But hes been very well prepared as he showed on direct. And the key here is for him to very straightforwardly without drama admit to any kind of criminal conduct, give the jury reason to believe him now based on his motivation to reduce his sentence. So hes got to be calm and straightforward about it. I think youll see a kind of Dynamic Battle In Court And Jim will hear if hes there, a sort of sneering, sarcastic aggressive questioning on the one hand by the Defense Attorney and a very straightforward, flat, yep, thats right by gates himself. So theyll only draw blood, i think, if they convince the jury he is lying now. He did a lot worse things than rick gates thats what i want to ask you. Gates is an admitted criminal and liarwho stole from manafort. Does that hurt his credibility with the jury . Sure. But that happens in case after case after case when you have a cooperating witness. And thats sort of part of the prosecutors art is how to present those crimes in a sort of nonsquirrely straight up way and how to persuade the jury that hes telling the truth now so manaforts attorneys, its important to undermine his credibility. As you were saying theyre going to go at that hard. They want to get a rise out of him. Th theyd especially love to catch him in a lie on the stand. What was it like to see them in the same room together . It was remarkable. This is not a mob case, but where you have the capo as it were, the deputy testifying at length to numerous alleged crimes against his long time boss, someone he worked with for many, many years directly. And in a way, and its interesting as harry mentions it, it struck me that he was a wellprepared witness. He had the answers to the questions. He answered listen, some of this is Performance Art i imagine. You answer like a boy scout. You have the details, you answer calmly. Youre doing your best to be honest under the circumstances. When he is recounting a whole series of alleged crimes here in great detail, right, which is not an easy thing to do. And particularly as he had something of a surprise, something we didnt know about entering into today which is that he in addition to doing these crimes or alleged crimes, rather, with manafort that he committed a crime in effect against manafort. The Deputy Stealing Money from the boss. Yeah, its interesting because giuliani last week suggested that gates attended that Trump Tower Meeting with the russians, right . A meeting about that meeting. So im just wondering how that is going to play into the overall russia investigation. Because they couldnt mention it in this trial thats happening now. I want to know how thats going to play and also what trouble, what does this mean for doon junior. Well talk about that when we come back. Like new crabfest combo. Your one chance to have new Jumbo Snow Crab with tender dungeness crab. Or try crab lovers dream. But hurry in. Cause Crabfest will be gone in a snap. Hawaii is in the middle of the pacific ocean. Were the most isolated population on the planet. Hawaii is the first state in the u. S. To have 100 Renewable Energy goal. Were a very small electric utility. But, if we dont make this move were going to have changes in our environment, and have a negative impact to hawaiis economy. 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But as manafort is the former Trump Campaign chairman is facing if hes convicted of these crimes, the reasonable question is is that pressure the Special Counsel might use to extract information or is it incentive to extract information regarding the president if Paul Manafort is aware of any wrongdoing by the president . Of course rick gates who was deputy to Paul Manafort arguably equally close, hes already a cooperating witness. Hes cooperating with federal investigators at least in the manafort case. Has Special Counsel mueller asked him questions about for instance his knowledge about whether the president knew in advance of the june 2016 Trump Tower Meeting . Its possible. We know that theres been discussion of a meeting prior to that meeting. Was rick gates another of the very tight circle of Campaign Aides who was present for that . Where they supposedly discussed strategy for the meeting thats in question, right . Im wondering if that goes to intent, and if so how much exposure does don junior have . Were always asking these questions based on what little if anything we know about what Robert Mueller has at this point, right . From private testimony, under oath, et cetera. But clearly hes concerned about donald trump, jr. s legal stating, what he faces here. And the very obvious legal questions are, one, did he lie in his sworn testimony before the sent about that Trump Tower Meeting, what he told the president , et cetera. Did he lie in his testimony elsewhere, thats one question. And what does the special counsel have, if anything, to substantiate that donald trump, jr. , knew or conspired in some way with russians, et cetera. Those are the questions. In the short time, i hate to rush you on this, but these are the shifting explanations for the Trump Tower Meeting, okay . So first we have july 8, Trump Junior Meeting was primarily about adoptions, july 9 the meeting was primarily about research on clinton, and then emails were discussed in there and on and on and on. First we were told by trump, jr. It was about adoption and then the New York Times and all the reports come out. And you see them up there on the screen. Its about adoption, no its not about adoption. No, its getting dirt on hillary clinton. No its about adoption, no its about getting dirt on hillary clinton. So what is it . What is it, its a World Of Hurt for donald trump, jr. Because we know now from trumps tweet there was collusion, coordination from a Foreign Government to get dirt on an opponent and trump adds at the end i didnt know about the meeting and that implicitly c l iplies donald trump, jr. And he knows about that prejune meeting to prepare. Theres no hold back on gates part. Thank you both. I appreciate your time. 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