Make my point through economic argument. But the reality of it is weve got a president that doesnt want to listen to reason, doesnt want to hear the economic argument. He wants to rule through fear. And through intimidation and that simply isnt president ial. Thats not american. Thats not what this country is about. We are a country of broad shoaled rtz and big hearts. We welcome the stranger. We put people to work. These individuals were vetted not once, not twice but three times. None of them have committed a crime. They have done nothing but contribute to the greatest country in the world. They willingly came forward and gave their information to the government and this president betrayed them. It doesnt need to get any fancier. Were not splitting atoms here. This is an unbelievable conversation. Patty hasnt had a chance to speak yet. I said this is no long ardog whistle, its a bull horn now. I think the argument this is a legal issue is completely disingenuous by this administration. The other policy that was legally challenged was the muslim ban but that didnt stop donald trump from vigorously defending it and going all out to fight for it up to the Supreme Court. So the idea that he thinks the dreamers are great and he loves them but hes not going to fight for them is disingenuous at best and look his past actions, his history, everything he has done and has said has shown us who he is. I dont see why we dont believe him and as for the issue of we make everything about race. No, sir. Donald trump makes everything about race. We are covering his policies, his agenda and what he says. Hes the president of the United States. Go ahead, john. Patty f donald trump ordered a Peanut Butter sandwich for lunch you would say it was racist. No. This conversation no, i would not. And javier, i really appreciate your passion and appreciate youre doing what you believe in but this president is not racist. He had a policy on daca. He campaigned for two years and said the same thing over and over. I will not on daca. He said he would protect those 800,000 people but eliminate daca and follow the rule of law. Thats not true. Van explain and ill let you go. Van. Honestly and im trying to listen to you really carefully. If he had had come out from the very beginning and said these dreamers got to go. Im building a wall and these dreamers got to go, then you would be on solid ground. On daca he was all over the place and that is a big part of the problem. He continued to send signals to the young people he would look out for them and hes not. You got to be fact based and ill let you have the last point. The program in place is not kicking out the 690,000 daca recipients. They have a twoyear period to figure this out and congress has an opportunity to pass a law that might impact them. An opportunity to. To do that. The dreamers have a twoyear period to figure it out. Listen. Trump could just Tell Congress to do it without terrifying and skarg all these kids. In other words theres a cruelty there. Hes much kinder to arpaio or people who want confederate flags than he is to these kids and thats wrong. Thats rs a dog whistle then. He literally said rest easy. Were going to focus on the criminals. He said that. They are focusing on the criminals. Maybe he should do whole wheat toast or watch his diet because its a lot of sugar and the white bread is not great. Thank you both. Thank you all. You got my point. Yall know what im saying. Irma is now a category 5 storm. Were going to tell you everything you need to know about where its going and how hard it will hilt and pen. For tech advice. 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The storm moves across the region but the turks caicos in the direct path of the storm system. This is where it gets very interesting. Once it begins to interact with cuba and a lot of people fall in love with the middle of the track and think thats where the storm is forecast to go. It could go anywhere on the Utter Perifry of this, it could go on the outer perifry, which is the gulf and this is the most Consensus Zone of where the storm could end up. Anywhere along the cone could get direct impact. You see how the cone is created and highest concentration south of bahamas thursday into friday and some of the models say it will go the north and potentially move up, much like Hurricane Matthew did on the east of florida. And then about half of the otherer models want to take it in for southwestern florida. But notice outliars take it to the gulf. A decent number want to bring it up that coastline. Because of the nature of the land mass is how the u. S. Bends to the east. They will probably interact with the u. S. At some point. So the Steering Environment is a little different than Hurricane Harvey because there was very little steering. This particular motion will want to keep them to the south. At this point, the air we watch for the storm sz typically four to five days out. You think four to five days out saturday to sunday it could be 200 miles in any ch direction but either way florida looks the most likely to be impacted. I still had the chance. Its always better to leave it. Thank you so much. I want to go to cnns santiago in san juan for us tonight. Thank you so much and as i go to you i want to show our viewers. Look at the eye of this thing. It is enormous and that is whats barrelling towards whats in the caribbean and barrelling towards the United States. Laila is down in puerto rico for us. What is the weather like now . What can you tell us . Reporter well, don, certainly the winds have picked up in the last few hours and people are getting ready for the unknown. Not knowing what is coming with hurricane irma. But the governor is saying he expects this to be possibly catastrophic and of a magnitude puerto rico has never experienced before. And this is an island used to as much as one can be tropical storms and hurricanes, especially this time of year. But as we were out and about today we saw people who were boarding up the windows. People at the stores who were buying water that was hard to come by, hard to find water on the shelves. But the conversation i keep talking about because it set the tone for how people are feeling. I talked to one of the clerks and i said tell me what the products are in demnd for this hurricane and she stopped me right there and said hurricane, no. This is not a hurricane. This is a beast. A beast is how it was described today to me, don. Youre from puerto rico, correct . Reporter right, right, i am. You talked about going to the store and what theyre preparing for. How are they preparing for this . And my question really is, is there real fear about this . Reporter theres fear on a few levels. I think the governor today was asked a very telling question at his Press Conference. Theres the fear of the devastation, the damage, the Power Outages all of that that comes with hurricanes. Theres certainly that. But theres also fear of can they rebuild if this truly is that devastating . Remember this is an island that is in an economic crisis. Thats another storm theyre dealing with. 70 billion in debt right now and when it comes to the federal government because this is u. S. Territory, these are u. S. Citizens. There was a bit of a sigh of relief today when President Trump declared a state of emergency, meaning they will get more resources to help deal with this. 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At this time Miami Dade County is standing a greater chance of having more of the effects of the storm than broward and so right now with the trajectory and the path its on, we havent issued an evacuation as of yet but that may come based on information we received through the evening tonight and tomorrow morning. Mayor levine, youve urged residents to evacuate ahead of the storm. We think rarnts incredibly serious storm. This is a monster. The county has not issued an evacuation order. The only one is for folks with special needs. I had a Press Conference this afternoon and said im recommending to leave the city. If you have a plan, get on that plan now and start moving out of the city. You can wait obviously a day but were recommending because as you know miami dade is a Barrier Island and only a few cause ways. I want to get people the opportunity to get out of miami beach with advance notice as possible. How are these preparations coming . What more needs happen before irma arrives . So first thing were advising people is they need to get their supplies and be prepared for three to five days and stay off the road until the storm comes. It could be Power Outages and downed power lines. We want to make sure theyre safe and sheltered in place and that only Essential Personnel are on the street after the storm hits. The second thing is as mayor levine has said were trying to make preparations to move those with medical needs to the shelters where they belong and also get the children with Medically Complex Needs Hospital where they belong. Our last shelters we have 43 available. We have pet friendly shelters and were telling people if they really need shelter we have accommodations up to 33,000 at this point and we can have more as needed. But were hoping that with the messages were sending today that people are going to shelter in place with family and friends. As we saw with harvey, thats the most recent example we saw the elderly people who our senior population were effected by it greatly. You mentioned disabled people mandatory evacuations. Whats the plan for the senior people in miami beach . Weve begun outreaching to our seniors, making sure they understand that we understand the opportunities to have them removed from the island. When the mandatory evacuation goes into effect matter of fact our teams been on the ground working with Homeless People on miami beach to make sure they have the opportunity to get out of the city but theres many things were doing. Portable pumps, portable generators. Stoping all Construction Products to make sure theres no debris owl there its communicating with our residents and our visitors. Its the storm surge that can come. You saw it in houston. Miami beach will expeer ynls, god forbid with a big hit, major storm surge. Thank you both. I appreciate it. Im sure well be seeing you here in the coming days. Now i want to bring in a Hurricane Chaser in key largo, florida. He joins us by phone. We get great information for you. So please be safe out there. Lets talk about the images were seeing of irma. Were looking at pictures now from a noah aircraft that flew into the eye of irma. This is at the top of the scale when it comes to severity of the power of the hurricane. This is off the charts. If theres possibly a category 6. Theres a few other examples but we dont see this very often. The Outer Islands im exfreemly concerned for them right now. Theyre going to take a direct hit with 185 mileperhour type winds, thats going to catastrophic. We still have time. Start evacuating, following the orders from your officials. Now is the time to act and get to your safe place. Yrv got to ask you about riding out the storm. Youre going to do it from your home in key largo. You muts be expecting to who knows what youre going to encounter. But it could be pretty bad. It could be very bad. I knew a lot of locations ive been eyeing for years god forbid this ever happen. So ive got some ideas im working out. But this tract is still unpredictable where im going to go myself with the Hurricane Truck to get data. And the way the forecasting is, its going to hit miami beach, the east coast, all the way up to tampa or just over the middle of the florida keys and cause a lot of damage. So this is extremely concerning. The keys are exposed what kind of preparation are we seeing from our neighbors . The local businesses were boarding up today. Tomorrow were going to see that in hyperdrive. But it always ramps up to this. And i notice this time people started preparing much earlier. And i think its probably because of what happened in houston and its fresh in everybodys minds in how bad this can be. Theyre evacuating. And i just hope everybody gets to a safe place. Please be safe. Well check in with you. Okay. Thank you. When we come back the president ending daca. But congress has yet to pass any of his legislative priorities. So what happened to trump the deal maker . The fresher things in life. Fresh towels. Fresh soaps. And of course, tripadvisors freshest, lowest. Prices. So if youre anything like me. Youll want to check tripadvisor. We now instantly compare prices. From over 200 booking sites. To find you the lowest price. On the hotel you want. Go on, try something fresh. Tripadvisor. The latest reviews. The lowest prices. To identify hazard trees. My hope is that the work were performing allows that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. Together, were building a better california. Daca, the program to protected them from be dg ported. I want to talk about this with the author of truth about the truth about trump and senior Economic Advisor to the trump campaign. President trump is telling congress they have to do their jobs. Remember when he said i alone can fix this. Hes supposed to be there great deal maker, isnt he . Hes never been a great deal maker. The great deal makers tell you that you need three elements. One is truthfulness, the second is Trust Worthiness and the third is respect. And he told me he doesnt respect most people because they dont deserve it. Hes lied multiple times since taking office. And hes gone bankrupt so many times. So to begin with it was wrong. He said in the Art Of The Deal he was a deal maker. Hes a deal maker as much as hes a writer. We need him to succeed and he seems to be abdicating leadership and thats a serious problem. I had Fareed Zakaria and he said we have a president who is not governing. Hes struggling for sure to govern and he doesnt have anyone in congress he hasnt insulted to do business with. So if you start off by telling everyone off, how do you do a deal with them . This is really mind boggling. But i think the American People are very generous. Theyll give them a reset at some point. Can you tell us how you really feel . That was sarcasm. I hear you in the background, steven. President trump hasnt had much success Getting Congress to pass any of his legislative items. Why does he think hes going to have success with this one . Well, look, by the way hes got to be a pretty good deal maker because hes made a lot of amazing real estate deals over his lifetime. But hes going to be put to the test. Weve got a full Sledge Slative agenda, the tax plan, the debt ceiling, putting a budget together to fund all the government programs. s a little difficult to put together a deal when youre dealing with a priority that has said were against anything you want to do. Were against building the wall, Reforming Obamacare or repealing it, tax cut. I mean democrats have laid down the line and said were against everything that youre for. Steven, to be honest, he doesnt really need the democrats that much. Its the republicans hes having congress. Were talking about legislation here. Ts to the rr a little unfair. Its true the republicans have a fairly big majority in the house but 52 in the senate. And it takes 60 to pass most pieces of legislation. Not all, but most and if youve got virtually all democrats saying were opposed to these things, you cant get to 60. Its just marth. And even on the things that only require 50, he can only lose two republicans and theyre not that united. Hes got to prove himself this fall that he can deliver on these big ticket items. You said republicans are not that united. Why arent they united around this president and his agenda because even when the former president didnt have a majority, he started off with one. They still got behind obamacare. Why Arent Republicans falling in line . I think republicans are more free agents. Democrats plan to run lock step in one direction. Theyre a much more disciplined party they fell in line behind bush, the war. Do they . They voted they all voted and supported this president. Sometimes they do but a lat of times they dont. A big one is going to be this tax cut package. They can probably get it passed with 50 votes in the senate. We saw what happened with obamacare. I dont want to get too far afield. I want to talk about daca. John mccain wrote on Oped Calling For Congress to return to regular order. He says we must respect his athort and constitutional authorities. We must where we can, cooperate with him but were not his subordinates, we dontancer to him. We answer to the American People. Is his bad blood with john mccain and others in congress coming back to bite him . I think it is. Hes got bad blood all around and the only people he doesnt have blad blood with is the people shouting blood and soil in charlottesville. Thats outrageous. Wow. Its absolutely true. The people he cant seem to organize are the people in his own party and these are people who were united against president obama. So the idea theyre incapable of being united is speeshs. These people are very good at resisting when they want to resist. You must admit that was a hyperbolic statement about the blood and soil. Its a lot easier ive been in pall is 35 years or so. Its a lot easier to play defense than offense. And when youre the Opposition Party its easy to hold together. Republicans held together pretty well. You dont want to respond specifically to the blood and soil thing . I think problem with that kind of rhetoric is when Hillary Clinton called Trump Supporters deplorable. I do think they think anyone who i do think thats deplorable what he did in charlottesville. This is panderinging to people who dont deserve to be pandered to and to call them your base is a big mistake. Interesting you bring this up because last time i was on the show i made the point that there were bad actors on both sides of the aisle and you challenged me on that and now we have very strong video evidence. There was an amazing article in politico about the violent left that turned out in charlottesville and i wonder if youre willing to now say maybe i was wrong. There were certainly terrible people these ku klux klan members but theres pretty bad people on the left inspiring violence. You talking about me or michael . Me. No, its not the same thing. And as i have said every single time. The actions of violence is never good by anyone but comparing White Supremacists to a group who may not be right to a group battling fascism, there shouldnt be any comparison. Its a strong mans argument. The marxist killed more people but when youre the president of the United States and neither of us is, and youre trying to bring the country together and get people to understand the awfulness that happened in charlottesville, you do not compare White Sprupremacists Nas to people fighting fascism. It is not the moment. At another time you may not call them out and you do not say People Marching with Swastikas Sque people who may have marched with hoods in a time gone by that there were very good people out there. There are no very good nazis except that the people some of the people on the left were people who instuigated the violence there . The people on the left would not be there if it wasnt white sprem, racist, ku klux klan People Marching in the streets for the wrong thing. Theres no question about that. The only people who killed anybody in charlottesville was on the white supremacist side. And don they should not be having violent acts. I do not condone it. I dont think anybody condones it. But theyre not the same as racist kkk white supremacist neonazis. Marxism killed millions of people. I have to run. When the president of the United States the president of the United States states a clear assessment of what went on and he did not have a clear assessment and there were not good people on both sides. There were not good people on both sides. We have evidence he was right. There were really bad people on both sides. Michael, sorry you didnt get part of that. Let your data live wherever it needs to, but see it all in one view. The ibm cloud. The cloud for enterprise. Yours. Dental professionals recommend using an electric toothbrush. For an exceptionally fresh feeling choose Philips Sonicare diamondclean. Hear the difference versus oral b. In a recently published clinical study, Philips Sonicare diamondclean outperforms oralb 7000, removing up to 82 more plaque and improving gum health up to 70 more. Its Sonic Technology cleaning deep between teeth. From the most recommended Sonic Toothbrush Brand by dental professionals. Switch to Philips Sonicare today. Philips sonicare. 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And the dreamers, the folks that were here, brought as Young Children by their parents, through no fault of their own, are in a status that does not allow them and does not allow the president to create a status and give them sought. So congress has to address this. Im encouraged that i see members of congress and the senate saying that theyre going to address this. But i think a lot of folks are disappointed that it hasnt been addressed already by the folks we elected and sent to washington. The New York Times is reporting President Trump had been looking for a way out of daca, the daca dilemma. First he promised to deport those impacted. Then he said he would treat them with heart. Do you think what he did today was what he really wanted to do, peter . You know, as on many policy issues, my strong suspicion is donald trump doesnt actually know the details here very much at all. And would be hardpressed. This is why i think he cant offer any leadership towards congress, because just as on health care, he doesnt understand the issue well enough, i think, in fact to chart a path forward. Congress could have acted anyway, right . Theres nothing stopping congress from passing comprehensive immigration reform, for instance, and actually putting this within a larger foundation. What donald trump and donald trump was not forced to do this. The court had not ruled this unconstitutional it hasnt been ruled unconstitutional. I heard matt said it was illegal. Still, it hasnt been challenged in court. It hadnt. When donald trump cares about something, like the muslim ban, i he fights it in the courts because he believes it in. Whats clear is he has people like jeff sessions, steve miller, in his administration who want these people deported because they believe, i think entirely incorrectly, that somehow other americans are going to benefit if these peoples lives are ruined. And thats just not true. So scott, do you say it would be shameful to leave these kids hung out to dry, but isnt that essentially what the president did today by deflecting to congress . Theyre not sure . No i dont think so, don. Heres why. I think the president had a series of bad options and he picked the best one. He could have done nothing and let litigation about go forward ask theres a great chance of Executive Order would have been ruled illegal as matt said. Number two, he could have ended the program immediately, and thats a terrible option. Nobody wants that. That would have been cruel. So he comes up with this third option which gives congress a sixmonth window to get this right. These dreamers deserve certainty. The Executive Order was not certainty for them. But a law passed by the congress and signed by the president would give them certainty. So actually i think the president did something that needed to be done here and thats put congress on a deadline. This congress, congress lately in recent history, does not seem to act without deadlines and cliffs and up against it. So thats what the president s done. And i hope they get on it. Theres no easy congress could have done this anyway. The president could have shown leadership and tried to actually get congress to pass a law. Theres no evidence given the extreme dysfunction of this congress that the republican and given the Republican Party faces deep hostility to doing anything that for people who are undocumented people in the United States, to suggest that they can actually handle simone, does this give them certainty, as scott says . No. Absolutely not. This is so one, this was a cruel, inhumane, and unnecessary move that the Trump Administration did today. I keep Hearing Folks mention that these Attorney Generals could have used and this would have been ruled illegal and unconstitutional. Theres no basis for that claim. No one knows what could have happened. And we cannot operate policy in the United States off could have, would have, should haves, makes. So what happened today is that the Trump Administration put 800,000 young people who have signed up to serve their country, people who are teachers, folks who we interact with every single day and we dont even know theyre undocumented, we put them in the crosshairs. For no other reason but to serve some part of the political base. So i think folks have to remember what congress were working with here. I dont know what Congress Yall are talking about but the congress i know hasnt got anything done this year. I dont know what makes anybody think another imaginary deadline but the Trump Administration is going to move congress to act when the Republican Congress cannot get it together. Did you just say i dont know which one yall are talking about . Thats hilarious. I dont know what congress yall are talking about, i have not met them. Matt, you take exception to what she said i have 20 seconds left about could have, would have, should haves, we cant operate the United States on that . Yeah, you know what, the legal analysis is very sound. It was unconstitutional, the Executive Order who said it was . It is going to who said daca is unconstitutional . It is Simple Agency law its simple, there was no litigation that the Supreme Court as it currently stands and the precedent deferred action for childhood arrivals we can argue about this but the law im speaking of fact, actual and factual the law is what it is. Don, i want to know, slavery was legal. Women not being able to vote was legal. When people want to purport that the law is the law, we have to uphold the law, the law is not always just. This is not just. What the Trump Administration did today was not just. Dont keep throwing out suggestions ive got to go, the computer is going to cut us off. Thats it for us, see you right back here tomorrow, good night. 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