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Millions of undocumented immigrants now fear the next knock on the door could see them deported, too. Protesters are taking to the streets from los angeles, where highways were blocked. [ chanting ] to this protest happening outside the white house, where they chanted, immigrants are welcome here. But is this all just a kneejerk reaction . I. C. E. Officials and the white house both say yes and these raids are routine. Important to remember here, president obama deported more people than any previous president and Immigration Enforcement Officials Say for the most part, these raids were planned at the end of his immigration. Lets all set the stage now as we get reaction from the ground. Cnns Polo Sandoval is live at an i. C. E. Detention center. And polo, the i. C. E. Officials say these raids were routine, but the public reaction has been very different from past operations. Why . What are you hearing . Reporter that i. C. E. Official telling cnn that these kinds of operations, these detention and deportation operations typically happen about two or three times a year,. What is different, though, is obviously the Political Climate right now and that debate that is happening across the country about how the u. S. Government should be prioritizing some of these cases. Which leads to the crux of this issue here, the immigrant activists right now, they are concerned that, for example, some of these nonviolent, but undocumented offenders, could be categorized in the same group as some of the violent offenders, people who have convictions for drug trafficking, assault, and other things of that nature. So really, that is at the heart of the debate right now. But in the meantime, we are hearing from the Trump Administration, including his newly appointed secretary for the department of homeland security, who is stressing really the meaning behind what were seeing here, some of these latest detentions and deportations. This is some of the latest comments from secretary john kelly. Take a listen. Well, first of all, theyre not rounding anyone up. The people the that i. C. E. Apprehend are people who are illegal and then some. I. C. E. Is executing the law. Reporter and this is also leading to warnings from the mexican government, who, as weve already heard, is now reaching out to some of the mexican citizens who are living in the United States, many without legal status, to simply be informed, ana, before they make their way to their nearest i. C. E. Detention center to try to keep up with their immigration proceedings. All right, Polo Sandoval reporting. Thank you. Lets bring in our panel now. Famed attorney and professor emeritus, and a former ambassador to the Czech Republic and a fellow with the brookings institution. And cnn political commentator and former Reagan White House political director, jeffrey lord. Ambassador eisen, lets start with you. The planning for this immigration operation, were hearing about, apparently began during the Obama Administration. And i. C. E. Officials say other raids were part of daytoday operations. Now, is it fair that democrats and activists are now hitting President Trump for ripping families apart, if, indeed, these raids were planned previously . Ana, thank you for having me. And i do think it is fair for the country and its political leaders to be asking hard questions. Planning is one thing. And there was controversy around the obama enforcement actions, but execution of the raids is another matter. And it does seem like theres extra vigor to the execution of these raids. And one has to ask, is President Trump taking out his frustration with his losing campaign in the ninth circuit on an immigration issue, on these individuals, tearing these families apart . So i think the questions are fair. Jeffrey, donald trump promised an immigration plan, quote, a lot of heart. How does that square with the story weve been reporting, about Guadalupe Garcia de rayos, an undocumented immigrant mother of two who was just deported back to mexico . Well, she wasnt just an illegal immigrant, she was also a convicted felon. Right, for a Social Security number that she used that was falsified. Yeah, so what does that mean . She was using it to vote . Did she vote . Was she getting obamacare . Was she what was she doing with all of this . No, but she was checking in with i. C. E. Officials year to year, even after that felony conviction, and just now happened to be deported. She still violated american law. If you are using somebody elses Social Security in this country and you are an american citizen, you can wind up in jail and should. So, i mean, im just a little baffled at this. I mean, she is being the fact that she was here and did this is not excusable. All right. Lets move on to talk about the president s travel ban. Professor dershowitz, President Trump talked to reporters last night about losing the court appeal on his controversial travel ban. But now hes saying he could write a brandnew executive order. Listen to what he said. You also talked about it takes time. Statutorily. But well win that battle. But we also have a lot of other options, including just filing a brandnew order on monday. Is that your intention . Could very well be. But i like to keep you i like to surprise you. We need speed for reasons of security. So it could very well be that we do that. I know it was a little bit hard to hear. We had to put up the subtitles on the screen. I dont know if you could see those. Essentially, he said, a new executive order could be possible. It could come as soon as monday. He said speed is of the essence. Alan, youve been saying on days and days for cnn here that the president should withdraw his order and start over. Why do you think thats his best bet . Because, although he might win a partial victory in the supreme court, it would take weeks or months to do that, and hes already on the record saying that failure to have an order in place poses a Major National security threat. So i think he has no option but to issue a new order. Hopefully, it will be a constitutional order. One that will distinguish between American People on the one hand, people with green cards, people with visas that are proper, people going to american universities, and people who have no contact whatsoever with the United States. And there is a constitutional distinction between those categories. I hope he will also add some due process and will change some of the language to avoid any claims of unconstitutionality. I want to make a broader point, though, that relates to the question you asked previously. You know, when obama did something and when trump does something, even if its the same thing, youre going to get a lot of people opposing what trump did, because trump did it. For example, picking the seven countries. There were no objections the or very few, there were very few objections from liberals when obama did the dry foot wet foot policy, abolished that. And by the way, the same thing happened to obama early in his administration. Everything he did was wrong. And i think both sides are wrong when they do this. I think you have to judge actions by the actions themselves, not bri whether you like the president who engaged in those actions. And i think we need to take a step back, give the president an opportunity to govern, just like i said, we should be giving president obama the opportunity to govern and stop with all this partisanship, which is really hurting the country in so many profound ways. Lets talk about i disagree with professor dershowitz entirely. I thought you would agree with him. Thats why i didnt ask for your reaction. All right, lets talk about this legal ramifications of all of this. This was criticism of President Trump rolling out this travel ban initially kind of quickly led to chaos at airports. Ultimately, a legal defeat. Any concern that the president could be moving too fast again, saying hes coming out with something early this next week, as soon as monday . Ana, i think that its wise of the president to consider a new order, parse what he said very carefully, though. He didnt necessarily say hes going to withdraw. I want to be the first to sign up for the Alan Dershowitz for white House Counsel club. Because dershowitz is giving him the right advice youve got to yank that unconstitutional order and replace it with a good one. That may be the direction they go or they may be doing a supplemental or separate order. I do think that theyre moving too fast. When i worked in the white house, my nickname was mr. No. And they need somebody and the white house city council, don mcdan needs to do this, and the Justice Department needs to do this. It seems like donald trump is surrounded by yes men and women. I think they need to take the time and do it right. The ninth circuit has given him a road map, and he would be rise, the president , to take that road map. It is true, i may even get jeffrey to agree with me on this, it is true that the weakest part, the weakest link in the chain of the distinguishmaking in the ninth circuit is the aliens who have no connection to the United States at all. And that is where he should focus. They havent even had the talk about wet foot dry foot, they havent even set foot inside the system to have any engagement at all. Thats a bright line you can draw. I think that that would rest easier with the ninth circuit, in reviewing the new order. And make no mistake about it, it will be reviewed. Go ahead, alan. The problem is ana i think the problem is that the people who work under trump are terrified to disagree with him. Look at what happens just today, eliot abrams, eminently qualified to be the undersecretary of state, a man who really could have brought about peace in the middle east with his experience, he passes everybodys test. Tillerson says yes, Jared Kushner says yes, even trump says yes, after meeting with him. And then he finds out that he wrote an article critical of him back in may, and he says, no, im going to overrule the secretary. Its hard to be critical of this president. And thats why anybody who accepted the role of white House Counsel or mr. No in the white house would be doing it at the risk of his job. Im very much worried that people are not going to stand up. Look what happened to the office of Legal Counsel. They approved this horrible order without giving him the kind of criticism that office of Legal Counsel is supposed to do. I think people are afraid that if they give him the truth, he is not going to hes going to jeffrey, are people in his circle too afraid to confront him with something he may not want to hear . Though, with i dont think so. And ana, two quick things here. Number one, in terms of eliot abrams, whom i like enormously and respect a great deal, he was getting blowback not from inside the Trump Administration, but from a lot of folks out there who were trump supporters, who would disdain for what is called in the trade neo conservatives, of which eliot is one. So i know for a fact that there was blowback against that that there might have been some political problems with that. Secondly, as to President Trump himself, and this and the court order, et cetera, the president is not one to go down rabbit holes. He wants to win, as hes famously noted. So i can assure you, based on his performance both in his business and his campaign, he will do with this executive order whatever he thinks he needs to do to accomplish his objective. All right. Well end it there. Thank you all so much for joining us. A lot of good points. Thanks, ana thank you. Coming up, russia calling National Security adviser general Michael Flynn walking back some of the denials initially that he talked sanctions with the Russian Ambassador before trump was even in office. Did he break the law . Plus, a fury of raw emotion at republican town halls as constituents confront lawmakers face to face. Well, if youll be quiet and give me an opportunity, ill speak. 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Well, we are still very much in the initial stages of figuring out what exactly north korea has done here, but a defense official literally just confirmed a few seconds ago with our producer here in south korea, an official with the south Korean Defense ministry here, that a Ballistic Missile test was launched around 7 55 a. M. Local time this morning. But the Big Questions that you have to ask every time you hear this kind of line is what kind of missile was launched and was the test successful . And we dont have the answers so far to either of those two questions. Theres a couple different kind of options that north korea could launch in terms of missiles. Theres shortrange, mediumrange, and of course these longrain intercontinental Ballistic Missiles youve heard quite a bit about. And to be frank, we dont know yet what kind of missile was launched, and whether this particular test was successful. But regardless of what kind of test it was and whether or not it was successful, the timing of this test is obviously very important, given that this is the first Ballistic Missile test that we have seen the North Koreans conduct since donald trump became president. The last time they conducted such missile tests was back on october 20th, obviously, before election day. So this really is going to be the first test, when it comes to north korea, for this brandnew administration dealing with so many other things at the moment. And we also heard lots of bluster from the North Koreans about specifically intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. The kind of missiles that could potentially reach the United States. North korea has never successfully tested one of those missiles yet, but it is something that they have been working on for a long time and we heard their leader, kim jongun, in january, say that the North Koreans were in the final stages of developing that kind of missile to test. And so that is the big question we have right now, ana. What kind of missile was this . How successful was this test . And how is the Trump Administration going to respond . And what was the motivation or message wanting to be sent here. I want to bring in our cnn military analyst, Lieutenant General Mark Hertling, to talk more about the timing of all of this. Obviously, not a huge surprise, we know. The world has been anticipating some sort of missile test since last month. It was january 1st when kim jongun said that they would be testing an icbm, an intercontinental Ballistic Missile soon, at the time. We also know that at the beginning days of president obamas administration, there was a missile test. And again, even after his second term started, there was, within a short amount of time, another missile test. So, there seems to be a pattern. What do you make about the timing of this, and of course, knowing that the japanese leader is here in the u. S. Yeah, thats the other interesting aspect of this, ana. North koreans have done this with every president. And what were talking about is two different types of missiles. They have fired whats called a musadan missile that has the range of several hundred kilometers on several occasions. That is not the intercontinental Ballistic Missile. They have another one they have been working on that has a range of about 7,500 kilometers. That could hit the United States. And they are desperately saying they want to do this. And as we remember, a few weeks ago, President Trump tweeted that they would never get a missile, an intercontinental Ballistic Missile while he was in office. Now, this new missile has a new rocket engine, its psupplied b the russians, has a russian design, but just because theyre testing this doesnt mean that its going to be successful and that they havent connected any kind of warhead to it. When you have an icbm, you also have to do things like have a heat shield on the entry vehicle to prevent it from burning up. If it was a Nuclear Weapon or even a conventional missile. You have to have a twostage design, which they have been working on, where one stage falls off as the rocket goes up. It has to withstand g forces as it launches. All of these things the North Koreans have not been successful, but just the very fact that theyre firing this, and many of us, in fact, i predicted a few weeks ago on cnn that they would fire a missile within 30 to 60 days to test mr. Trump. And now that Prime Minister abe is here with him, i think they will have a lot to talk about tonight, other than their golf scores. Stay with me, general. I want to bring in cnn political commentator, jeffrey lord. Jeffrey, you obviously know our president personally. It might be the first Major International crisis, perhaps, of the Trump Administration. Certainly, a test of his administration. Given what you know of him and about him, how do you anticipate he might deal with this . Well, hes a very steady executive. I mean, hes an executives executive. So he will doubtless get all the facts, talk with as many people as he needs to do, and then his reaction will be based on that. Its very interesting, as the general said, that the Prime Minister of japan is not only with him, but hes not with him at the white house, hes with him at maralago. And you know, there are a number of american president s, president roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, took the king and queen of england in world war ii or right before the start of world war ii to hyde park for hot dogs. President bush xli, i think, took the president of egypt to his home in maine, and president clinton took Queen Elizabeth to his ranch in santa barbara. This is a treat, if you will, for the foreign dignitary, and i think its a sign of the bonding that might be going on with President Trump. And hes really getting to know him and making him his new next best friend. Getting back to this Missile Launch, general hertling, if you were advising President Trump on what he should do now, what would you say . Well, a couple of things, ana. The first is, they have been in office the president has been in office for less than 30 days. His National Security team are not in place. The big players are, the secretary of defense, the secretary of state, the National Security adviser. But they have been focusing most of their attention on signing executive orders and starting the kind of things that mr. Trump promised on his campaign trail. In conversations ive had with individuals on the National Security council, they have not conducted rehearsals to address any kind of Emergency Action procedures. What they call eaps. And thats where you have the National Security team come together, actually practice some type of emergency reaction, get the press involved, know how the statements are going to go out, understand how each others talking, who is bringing in information. And they have not rehearsed that yet. The other thing thats critical is they dont even have all the members of their Team Together yet. The nsc is about 20 filled, from what i can understand, and most of those filled are still coming from other agencies. There hasnt been the appointments, the subordinate appointments in both the state department and the Defense Department have not been made yet. So theres a lot of missing holes right now. This is the expectations that when you have an Emergency Action, when someone is testing the president , these are the kind of things that you are concerned, first of all, how to analyze that data, how to talk about it, and then how to get the word out to the American People, as well as put different organizations on alert. The military and some of the security agencies are doing what they need to do, because theyre used to this concept. But we have a whole new steam onboard, who i think is going to find some new dynamics as they work through these kind of issues. Lieutenant general Mark Hertling and jeffrey lord, were going to leave it there. Actually, go ahead, jeffrey, well give you the last word. I want to say i think defense secretary mattis has already been to korea as one of his first stops to south korea. So im sure hes coming back with fresh information. Jeffrey, general mattis has been there several times before, so i think hes just reaffirming the ties, but hes just a very small part of the National Security council right, right. But he was there. He was there, hell be part of the discussion, likely, as the Trump Administration moves forward now in responding to north korea and this missile test. Again, general Mark Hertling, jeffrey lord, matt rivers, our thanks to all of you. Well take a quick break and well be right back. Encouragement and milk. With 8 grams of natural protein, and 8 other nutrients to provide balanced nutrition. Moms know kids grow strong when they milk life. And 8 other nutrients to provide balanced nutrition. Remember when you said men are supeyeah. Ivers . Yeah, then howd i get this. Allstate safe driving bonus check . Only allstate sends you a bonus check for every six months youre accident free. Silence. Its good to be in, good hands. And this is they like lobster party. 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For a healing nights sleep. Updating you on the breaking news here on cnn. Word from south korea that their neighbor to the north has launched some type of Ballistic Missile. Were still working to gather more information on exactly what type of missile this is. But, of course, it comes as Prime Minister abe from japan is here in the u. S. Visiting president donald trump. It is the first Ballistic Missile launch of any sort by north korea since the Trump Administration took office. Back with us now, ambassador norman eisen. I want to first just get your initial thoughts about what were hearing about this Ballistic Missile launch. Well, ana, having had the privilege, but also, the responsibility of sitting in an embassy and trying to calculate the actions of foreign governments with respect to the United States, this is a test of donald trump. And its intended, of course, japan is our other major security ally with south korea and the region. And the North Koreans are well aware of Donald Trumps remarks during the campaign that perhaps japan should get its own Nuclear Weapons. So i think they are stirring the pot. I think it is very important that we and the president and our allies not overreact to north korea. President trump is going to have to set a steady course. The North Koreans have vexed every president since truman and theyre going to do the same for donald trump. You mentioned them perhaps testing our new administration. We talked about the tweet by donald trump back in january on the 2nd, in fact, when he wrote, north korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a Nuclear Weapon capable of reaching parts of the u. S. It wont happen. Do you think that was a little bit of a, i dont know, a go ahead and try it type of comment made by President Trump on twitter . Well, President Trump is finding out that the world is much more complicated than 140 characters, ana. And, you know, look at his china behavior. And by the way, the north korea reaction may be in response to the chinese toughness towards trump. He seemed to assault the one china policy, embrace the prospect of change with taiwan. The chinese gave him the silent treatment, and lo and behold, on all the news this week, it may not have gotten as much attention as it should have. President trump buckled. He embraced. He went back and embraced the one china policy. So the world is harder, and when you do that, when you retrench, the North Koreans say, okay, let me push. Theyre like spoiled children. When they feel theyre not getting the attention they want, they always act out. And you have to treat them with that in mind. I want to bring in elise labott. She is joining us from washington. Elise, upon this news, what are you learning from your sources . Reporter well, ana, we have a variety of u. S. Officials and a defense official telling us that it does appear some launch took place. It looks like, initially, it seems like an intermediate range Ballistic Missile, not what they call an intercontinental Ballistic Missile, which is the longest kind of which would reach basically the u. S. Could reach the u. S. Mainland. This has about a range of up to maybe 6,500 kilometers. Certainly, that could reach australia, japan, and south korea, maybe u. S. Territories in guam, maybe even hawaii, but its not the kind of missile, you know, thats an earthshattering missile that could reach the u. S. Mainland. But clearly, the u. S. Has been looking at this for some time. Theyve expected that north korea would launch some kind of missile test. They thought it might happen around President Trumps inauguration. There was some reports that there was increased activity at some of the sites. And north korea has been saying, we are going to test some kind of longrange missile. And generally, the u. S. Takes north korea at its word. So, i do agree, this is a test for President Trump. I dont think its a coincidence that japanese Prime Minister abe is at maralago with President Trump this weekend, trying to have a nice relaxing weekend, certainly this was on the agenda yesterday, when the two leaders met, but now its going to be on the agenda once again. North korea does not like to be ignored. They do sometimes act like a petulant child, but sometimes that petulant child throws a temper tantrum and there are dangerous repercussions. And certainly thats the case with north korea. I do think for President Trump to say, you know, north korea, theres increased activity, theyre making the threats, it aint going to happen, i think north korea has shown over the years with a series of nuclear tests, with more than a the dozen missile tests in recent years, that it is continuing to grow its nuclear and its Missile Program at an alarming rate. And this is something the incoming Trump Administration has been very concerned about. And officials have been debating on what to do. I think youre going to see a very serious response at the u. N. Security council and the u. S. Will be looking at further measures for north korea, ana. Lieutenant general Mark Hertling is still with us here. And now that we have learned it does not appear to be an intercontinental Ballistic Missile that they fired, but rather some kind of Ballistic Missile that is in the intermediate range, whats your take . Or whats your reaction, general . Well, its still a step toward an icbm, and thats the goal of the north korean politicians. They want an icbm. It is gaining attention. They continue to launch these tests, ana, and last year, there were multiple tests, in fact, some of the people that were monitoring some of these missile tests said they almost lost track of them. But as i said previously, there are several factors that go into building an icbm. But this intermediate Ballistic Missile is certainly dangerous. It has a greater range than some of the musudan missiles that they have been testing prior to that. And its not only a concern for the United States to hit the mainland of the United States, but it also has concerns for all of our asia partners. Japan is critical, north korea, certainly. The outskirts of seoul are about 75 miles from the border with north korea. So youre actually within artillery range, much less rocket range of north korea when youre in south korea. And thats always been a concern, would north korea perhaps attack south korea with a missile and cause diplomatic problems within the various countries that are defending south korea, not only the United States but australia and new zealand and others. So all of these things have implications, but it has always been North Koreans intent to continue to drive towards an icbm with a nuclear tip warhead. Right. So elise, is this still considered a ratcheting up of any sort by north korea . Or is this more of the same . Well, i think its more of the same. But you saw that north korea kind of took a step back, maybe the rhetoric continued with President Trump coming in. But i think theyve been watching and waiting, trying to see, you know, keeping their powder dry, so to speak, for an opportunity. And i dont think anybody, you know, really thought that this wouldnt happen. Clearly, theyve been saying that theyre going to do this. And like i said, they will not be ignored. And so this is a continuation of that. But to continue on what the general was saying, it is even though its not the kind of intercontinental Ballistic Missile, the intermediate range is very concerning because of u. S. Allies, because of u. S. Territories that could be reached, but also because as the general said, north korea does want an icbm and every time they make a test, every time they test a launch, this brings them closer to that point. So a lot of times, you heard the Obama Administration say, oh, well, its a medium range or its not a longrange missile, its not a satellite, but they do continue to improve their program at every point. And so, you know, how many intermediate range missile tests does it take until theyve perfected the longrange missile . So every test they make is of great concern. And you know, the Trump Administration is going to have to decide what to do with north korea. The Obama Administration exercised this policy of what they called strategic patience. They were not going to negotiate with north korea until north korea agreed to give up its Nuclear Weapons program. And what happened . You had eight years of north korea continuing the program, continuing to develop their missile and nuclear technology. Continuing to impose get sanctions that were not really effective. So there is a lot of discussion among the administration on what to do. I think youre going to see an initial, you know, ratcheting up of pressure on north korea, perhaps, you know, President Trump has said he wants to increase pressure on the chinese to in turn put pressure on north korea. I think youll see that. But at some time, you know, experts have said, there has to be some dialogue with north korea. Or its basically delaying it until north korea, you know, does something very dangerous with a Nuclear Weapon. So ambassador eisen, all of this being said, that what we have learned, if you are the Trump Administration or were advising the Trump Administration, how do they react . How seriously do they take this threat . And how quickly do they need to put some kind of message out there in return . Well, number one, the strategic patience is met with frustration. But the dialogue approach of the george w. Bush administration also was challenged, because the North Koreans are very different characters. Number two, i agree, china is the key here. And what a shame that the president and his administration squandered the opportunity while they were so busy cozying up to russia, squandered the opportunity to build relations with china. Fortunately, they did a reset this week. Well see where that goes. Third, they need to have a longterm strategy. They need to understand what is what does north korea want . Number one, they seem to want to be taken seriously. Number two, they definitely want food and other economic aid. We need to work with the chinese and other allies. Thats the key. We need to find multiple pressure points. So the Trump Administration is going to be confronted with one of the hardest problems in international diplomacy. It is good that President Trump is sitting with shinzo abe and maybe, but for the complexities of south korean politics, he should do the same with the south koreans. Their politics, unfortunately, are in total disarray now. Thats another aspect of the north korean testing. One of the one of our critical allies in even more political chaos than we are, ana. Were showing some images of the president having dinner and a meeting with Prime Minister abe. Again, a reminder that this missile test has happened at the time while the Prime Minister of japan is visiting the u. S. And we know that in a statement that they released, a joint statement from the president and Prime Minister abe yesterday, they talked about how they have doubled down on defense of each other and that the u. S. Would be most definitely behind japan, and even after the rhetoric that we heard from president on the campaign trail, saying, maybe japan should have Nuclear Weapon capabilities of its own. So, all of that really setting the stage prior to this missile test, general. Yeah, and thats a very good point, ana. One of the things that weve seen, as mr. Trump has come into office, is the commentary about how, what a successful businessman he has been. And theres been illusions to the fact that most of his negotiation has been binary. One on one, with another country. I think hes going to get a very quick lesson in terms of the criticality of alliances right now. Because you cant deal with north korea one on one. It has to be a combination of dealing with china. He has insulted them. He has made comments about japan and the potential for them getting Nuclear Weapons. He has made comments about south korea, saying theyre not paying enough for u. S. Defense forces over there. He has insulted the australian Prime Minister. Australia is part of this, as well as new zealand, and several other countries. I think, as you get general tillerson onboard, as general mattis gets a better feel, as the National Security adviser really focuses on these kind of crisis, i think the new president is going to find out, there is no such thing as binary deal making in a globalized world. Hes got to pull together an alliance to counter these kind of Missile Launches by north korea. All right. All of you, stay with me. Weve got to squeeze in a quick break. Well continue our coverage of this Ballistic Missile launch by north korea when we return. Y282uy ywty yet some cards limit whereuldnt you earncomplicated. Bonus cash back to a few places. And then, change those places every few months. Enough with that echo with quicksilver from capital one youve always earned unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase, everywhere. Welcome to unlimited. Whats in your wallet . To err is human. To anticipate is lexus. Experience the lexus rx with advanced safety standard. Experience amazing. This is not a screensaver. Game. This is the destruction of a cancer cell by the bodys own immune system, thanks to medicine that didnt exist until now. And today can save your life. Youre gonna love birds eye steamwait for it. Bles. In about five minutes you get delicious, premium veggies, steamed to perfection. Now ahhhhhhhhhhh. Mmmm heavenly, right . Birds eye steamfresh. So veggie good. We are continuing to follow breaking news here on cnn. Word from south korea that north korea has launched an intermediate range Ballistic Missile. Now, it went into the sea, we are learning and it appears that they have launched this intermediate range Ballistic Missile just in the at last 24 hours or so. Cnn Global Affairs analyst, elise labott is joining us now. And i understand you have some new reporting for us, elise . Well, ana, i just want to point something out. This is like the benefit of our viewers, who are kind of tweeting us information. And someone just reminded me that the u. S. And japan passed this kind of critical test on monday, which is about the antidefense missile cheeld. And they were able to intercept the exact kind of intermediate range missile that north korea seems to have launch today. And i dont think its a coincidence that the u. S. And japan did this on monday, and now you have President Trump and japanese Prime Minister abe having dinner tonight in maralago. They met yesterday at the white house. Obviously, north korea was huge on the agenda. And so i think that this, you know, obviously, we know that these type of missiles by north korea, these launch, in addition to trying to develop their missile and Nuclear Program and improve their technology, theyre also sending a message. Who is that message to . Its to President Trump, but also to the u. S. , japan, and south Korea Alliance that says that they are going to increase their defenses against north korea. And this is a message to north korea to say, we will not be ignored. And they will continue to try to develop those type of missiles that may be they dont think will be intercepted. The u. S. Is obviously discussing what to do with north korea. Thats certainly part of the agenda between the two leaders. You had defense secretary jim mattis in the region, in japan, in south korea, sending that message that the u. S. Is very concerned about the north korean growing, nuclear, and Missile Program, and that the u. S. Is ready to increase their defenses in the region. Elise labott, stand by. I want to bring in cnn white house correspondent, athena jones, traveling with the president , joining us now from florida and the maralago estate there. Im wondering, athena, we know that the Prime Minister from japan is visiting. He and the president getting ready to have some dinner, i understand. Have you noticed anything changing where you are in terms of a scramble, in terms of the team there to react . Ana, were no longer near the estate, but i can tell you about the press pool that is at the estate, that is at maralago. They are reporting that they are going to try to ask the president to respond to this news. I have been reaching out to white house sources, also reaching out to japanese sources to get any sort of response, to learn anything about whether either leader has been briefed about this news, whether the National Security adviser, Michael Flynn, has been briefed, what they might say, and so were hoping that the press pool gets an opportunity some time in the next few minutes to get some sort of response from the white house. Its unclear if they are still monitoring the situation, as the folks are at the pentagon or the state department or if they were caught flat footed. We do know, as i believe you guys have been discussing, that there have been some Warning Signals last month that this could be in the works. Weve also been discussing the fact that north korea likes to test the new president. They conducted just a month into his second term. Pyongyang said it successfully conducted a Hydrogen Bomb test. This is a way to flex their muscles. As elise labott just said, its no coincidence this is happening when the president and Prime Minister abe are having this weekend of friendship and getting to know each other. This was certainly a topic of conversation in that First Official meeting at the white house yesterday. It was included in the official communique, the joint statement where they talked about how both countries strongly urge north korea to abandon its ballistic and Nuclear Missile programs and not take further provocative actions. Clearly this is how north korea is answering that part of that statement. Theyre doing exactly what the u. S. And japan hope they wouldnt, anna. Athena jones, stand by. I want to bring in gordon chang. Gordon, first, whats the message that north korea is trying to send here, do you think . There could be various messages. I think the important thing here is that this launch undercuts north koreas interests in south korea. It also undercuts chinas interests in south korea. Its curious they would launch at this time. China does not want south korea to deploy the u. S. Made t. H. A. A. D. Antimissile system. When north korea launches a missile, it gives south korea impetus to go ahead with the u. S. Plan. China cant be happy about this, unless theres some motives we dont know about. The North Koreans have an interest in roiling the political scene because a Missile Launch could help the conservatives. Its very strange timing for north korea. Ministry of defense official tells cnn it was a Ballistic Missile and traveled 500 kilometers. That source adds that further details will be analyzed by south korea and the u. S. Lieutenant general hurtly, now that we know it traveled 500 kilometers, does that give you a better sense of their ongoing capabilities . No, thats actually less than the capability of the musadan rocket. What were talking about is testing. When youre talking about the development of missile systems, you first of all not only have to get the rocket to Stay Together and launch and hit the g forces in the atmosphere, but it also has to hit the target. North korea is notoriously poor at having missiles with any kind of accuracy. Thats why they launch them into the sea. Earlier you were talking about the cooperation between japan and the United States, testing something called the sm3. Believe it or not, sm stands for standard missile. Its an air Defense System that japanese and the United States have been testing. They did launch one a few days ago off one of the atolls in the pacific. Thats in complement to something that has been debated recently about putting the t. H. A. A. D. System, the terminal High Altitude air Defense System on the south Korean Peninsula to defend against these north korean missiles. So there is a combination of ground base interceptors, sea based interceptors off the aegis type cruisers in the u. S. Navy, and this missile that could potentially protect. It depends on how that missile leaves north korea, what direction its flying in, how far its going, the accuracy of its payload, what its carrying. All those things determine whether or not you have a successful Missile Launch. In this case, if the North Koreans launched a missile that went 500 kilometers, thats not very far. Its something theyve already done many times in the past. This is no advancement. Its just another launch. What do you think is the reaction hes trying to solicit from the president of the United States, gordon chang . Well, donald trump tweeted that north korea would not launch a Ballistic Missile. Kim jong un in his new years message said this was something that was going to happen soon. Trump said it wasnt going to happen. So kim jong un did what donald trump said could not occur. Therefore its a direct challenge to the United States. Its very good politics back home in pyongyang. 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Youre live in the cnn newsroom. Im ana cabrera in new york. Here on cnn, confirmation now that north korea has launched some type of Ballistic Missile, that confirmation coming from both south korean and american officials. White house correspondent athena jones is in south florida near President Trumps resort there. Also with me, elise labott in washington, dc. First, to cnns matt rivers in seoul. Matt, some things we dont know yet will determine how critical this Missile Launch is, but what are your sources telling you . Reporter were learning in just the last half hour or so that the type of missile that was launched appears to be an intermediate range Ballistic Missile, which is crucially important here in terms of determining how important this Ballistic Missile test is in terms of a broader strategic gain for the North Koreans. What weve heard from the North Koreans for a long time now, especially in january of this year, is they were in the final stages of developing an intercontinental Ballistic Missile, a long range missile that could potentially hit the United States at some point. And this missile test does not appear to be, according to sources, that kind of a missile test. This missile we know only traveled about 500 kilometers or so before crashing into the sea. We still dont know yet whether it was a successful test or not. Were still talking to or sources here in south korea and in the United States. But officials from both sides confirm that this test happened around 7 55 a. M. Local time. And it is in line with other tests that we have seen from the North Koreans. It was in 2016 that we saw the North Koreans fire off a record rate of these Ballistic Missile tests. We saw lots of tests throughout 2016 in addition to two nuclear tests. So what were seeing this morning here on the Korean Peninsula is whats shaping up to