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The world now. Reporter all right. Well this hour cnns breaking News Coverage continues, as you mentioned, fredericka. Cnn has now learned that the woman french authorities believe to have been involved in the paris terror attacks entered turkey on january 2nd, according to a turkish official who says turkey is tracking the movements of Hayat Boumediene. The victims of the kosher hostage situation have been identified by a wellknown publication which is online now. Here are thureir names. Also we have new video this hour of the Editorial Staff holding their first meeting since the attack. It must be a very emotional day for them. They are working on the issue that will be published on wednesday. Theyre meeting in the editorial newsroom the editorial meeting space, of liberation, the french daily newspaper here in france. Those are all the new breaking strands this hour. But as we were mentioning there, this complicates the investigation for french authorities. If according to these turkish officials who spoke to cnn, Hayat Boumediene the terror suspect whos being sought by authorities, is in fact in turkey and may have made her way to syria. Now, lets go to fred pleitgen. Fred you are outside that kosher supermarket where the men believed to have been the boyfriend or the partner of boumediene is suspected of having killed four hostages in a hostage crisis on friday, yesterday, that ended in his death. How does this change the situation for investigators, the fact that this woman they thought may have been involved operationally during the events may not even be in the country . Reporter well certainly changes a lot of things for investigators because remember that the beginning, they believed that she might have been involved in the killing of that Police Officer, that female Police Officer, here in paris on thursday that she might have been an accomplice in that. Remember that also there was speculation that possibly she might have been inside that Kosher Grocery store that was hit here just across the street from here. And that she might have escaped in the commotion when the police went in there. So certainly it changes a lot of things for the Law Enforcement officials as a person where an operation was ongoing to try and find her because obviously they were looking to question her because shes the only one they believe of the four members of these various attacks that have taken place here in paris over the past couple of days whom they still believe to be alive. So certainly if she was never in france during any of this time it does change things considerably. Nevertheless they will still want to get ahold of her if they can if she ever decides to come out of syria again or wherever she may be because, of course she does have a lot of information possibly to the relations between the kouachis and coulibaly. However, one of the things that we need to talk about here as you can see, im standing within a lot of people here. Theres a vigil here for those who were killed and for those who were hostages in that siege that happened here at that Kosher Grocery store yesterday. And i would call this a vigil and also a demonstration against any sort of harassment of the press but also against antisemitism here in france. Theres a lot of people here from the Jewish Community. You, of course are very worried about the situation who are angry at what happened here yesterday, something that of course, the president of this nation called an antisemitic attack and many jews here in this country have been warning for a long time of a rise in antisemitism here in france. There have been various times when people of jewish faith were attacked by people who, of course in an antisemitic nature and there are people who are actually going out of france jews leaving france because they feel antisemitism is on the rise. A lot of people protesting what happened yesterday, theyre shouting things shouting their solidarity with Charlie Hebdo, and of course with the people who were in harms way here yesterday and simply also making a statement saying that france does have a serious antisemitism problem and that politicians are going to have to look this problem in the eye as they deal with the events that happened here yesterday. Of course its only one of many aspects of the attack on Charlie Hebdo, but it is certainly something that the french authorities and the french politicians will have to look very hard and long at with the lessons they have to learn from the events that took place over the past couple of days, hala. Reporter yeah and in fact an interesting statistic, fred 7,000 french jews left france last year in 2014. Twice the number of 2013. Many people feeling, especially after that attack in toulouse against a Jewish School a little bit uneasy about whats going on in this country. But it looks as though there are some very sort of you know energetic conversations going on behind you. I mean whats the mood . Is it somber . It is a mood of reflection . Or is it more of a mood of trying to figure out what the way forward is here . Reporter yeah absolutely. Youre right, there is a lot of there are a lot of conversations going on here between folks. Theres a conversation about how the relations between muslims and jews could be furthered here in this country as to what exactly also these attacks here yesterday meant. Were they an attack on judism in this country . Were they simply people who were abusing the muslim faith to carry out these attacks . So there are a lot of debates here and there is a lot of looking forwards the future. Certainly there are a lot of people very critical of french politics and of the way that the french government has been handling the situation here. Of course one of the big issues that france has is that it is the country in europe that has the most people who have gone to fight in syria and iraq. So they do have a serious problem with islamic extremism. At the same time the people here are very well aware of the fact that its by no means a majority or even a small fraction of the muslims in this country who are actually radicalized. In fact its a tiny fraction. Nevertheless its a tiny fraction that can be very dangerous. And most of these people are very unhappy with the way their government has dealt with it. Also theyre very unhappy with the way many members of the Muslim Community here in this country have dealt with it as well. They are calling for additional dialogue between muslims, jews and christians. Its something that started today when Muslim Leaders and jewish leaders walked to a synagogue together today. So it is certainly something where you can tell that the folks here that this nation is indeed in an area where they realize that they need a new sort of dialogue between the faiths. They need a new mode of operation between the faiths to stop also extremists from all sides of the equation from getting more strong. One of the things thats going on on the one hand you do have a rise in islamic extremism even though its a tiny fraction its a growing fraction. At the same time you also have a rise of rightwing politicians in this country. The party thats been so successful in many elections recently. So it is something where it is still a vast minority only here in this country, but it is one that is growing, and it is something that really makes people concerned about the social fabric of this city and indeed of this country, hala. Reporter all right. Fred pleitgen there outside that k kosher supermarket where the hostage taking took place. Francois hollande is going to meet Jewish Community leaders at the elysee palace tomorrow before that big unity rally. Few people know the wrath of extremists as much as fleming rose. Hes on their mostwanted poster just as the editor of Charlie Hebdo was before he was killed along with many of the cartoonists killed in paris. Rose was from the danish newspaper that published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad five years ago and that caused set off some of these protests in some parts of the muslim world. Fleming rose joins me now on the phone. First of all, let me ask for your thoughts. Your publication put out these cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that imaginered many in the muslim world. After what happened at Charlie Hebdo, whats going through your mind . Im terrified and im grieving and its very very sad. Its a nightmare come true for everybody. And im shocked, but unfortunately im not surprised. This should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been following events over the past you know 19 years. And if you take my own newspaper, i mean we had been the target for the past nine years and several terrorist attacks have been foiled. In fact one of them started out in chicago who was the intelligence mind behind the mumbai bombings in 2008 wanted to go after new mexico as the next target and westergard who made this famous cartoon of the prophet was almost killed on new years eve 2010 when an offended muslim broke into his house and wanted to kill him with an ax. So this is this is a very familiar situation, but its the first time you know such a tragic outcome. So my thoughts go to everybody at Charlie Hebdo. I knew some of these people personally. I was a witness in a court case in 2007 when charlie was being taken to court. They were acquitted. So its been i would say, the most terrible week of my professional life. Yeah. What is your life like now . And you must be more concerned for your unsafety after this Charlie Hebdo massacre, is that correct . No im not concerned. I mean we have been more concerned. We have been in this situation for the past nine years. And i dont think that this tragic event in paris changes, you know, anything in essence. Its very clear that we have been the target. But, of course on a psychological level, its very tough. And, of course everybody at my newspaper perfectly well know that we that you know it goes through your mind that we could have been in that situation. But i dont think in terms of the situation, im not an expert on this so i will not comment on this but personally i dont feel you know more or less secure after these events because its been a permanent condition for several years. Knowing what you know now, would you do it again . I mean if you were you know at the paper all these years ago, knowing what you know now, would you go ahead and publish those cartoons . I mean its a hypothetical question and usually i dont answer them. But, you know, if i said that i would not do it again, i would send i think, a very unfortunate message to those who have intimidated, threatened and now killed people and tell them if you threaten and intimidate enough we will do exactly as you please. And i think thats very unfortunate. On the other hand, im not crazy. And so you know either way, its a dilemma. And as you may know we didnt republish Charlie Hebdos cartoons after the massacre in paris. I understand it very well and we didnt do it because of security concerns of our employees. Lastly i want to show you some but we and Charlie Hebdo have been the prime targets of these people for a long time. Lastly flemming i want to show you some pictures of what is the first Editorial Team meeting at Charlie Hebdo meeting at a french newspapers offices on friday escorted by police of course. And i dont know if you have the ability to see whats on cnn right now no i dont. Theyre just basically getting back together theyre getting back together and ill just describe them to you, planning the next issue of the magazine next wednesday. What is your reaction to the fact that theyve gotten together today and are planning the Next Magazine for next week wednesday . No i think its its fantastic. And they have my full support. I have been in touch with some of them during you know, the past couple of days. And, you know we have to focus on our job and try to do it as best as we can no matter what happened. I think that is the only answer you can come up with as a columnist or writer. You have to try to focus and not let those who have now killed intimidated and threatened to get their way. But but it takes more people who stand up and support Charlie Hebdo. The reason why at least part of the reason why this happened is because, in fact very few newspapers have been like Charlie Hebdo. They have been the only paper in europe since 2008 in an uncompromising way that has pursued its own line. Nobody else did it and thats why, i think, they became an easy target. If tens thousands, hundreds and millions of other outfits would have would not have felt intimidated things may have turned out differently. Flemming rose journalist and Foreign Editor at the danish newspaper, that paper published those very controversial drawings of the Prophet Muhammad several years ago that angered many in the muslim world and made you and your paper and your colleagues a target. Thank you very much for joining us on cnn this evening. For our viewers in the United States and around the world, a lot more ahead. U. S. Law enforcement officials have issued new bulletins in the wake of the paris attacks. But one former top lawman wonders, should we be surprised, and when will we wake up . Thats a question hes been asking. Well be right back with a lot more. Stay with us. R being a sailor and my daddy. Thank you mom, for protecting my future. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. Military families are thankful for many things. The legacy of usaa Auto Insurance could be one of them. Our worldclass service earned usaa the top spot in a study of the most recommended Large Companies in america. If youre current or former military, or their family, see if youre eligible to get an Auto Insurance quote. The terrorist acts that happened in paris wont stop there. Thats the warning from the United States the state department in particular. It is now urging americans at home and abroad to Pay Attention to whats going on around them. Its a very broad warning. I want to bring in cnns erin mcpike joining us from the white house. So lets talk about that statement, what it says and practically how it can be utilized because it really covers many many areas and public spaces right . Reporter hala thats right, its a very serious stark warning. And i want to read a big chunk of it to you. It says extremists may elect to use conventional or nonconventional weapons and target both official and private interests. Examples of such targets include highprofile sporting events residential areas, business offices, hotels clubs, restaurants, places of worship, schools, public areas, shopping malls and other tourist destinations both in the United States and abroad where u. S. Citizens gather in large numbers including during holidays. U. S. Citizens are reminded that the potential for terrorists to attack Public Transportation systems and other tourist infrastructure. Extremists have targeted and attempted attacks on subway and rail systems, aviation and maritime services. So obviously, hala that means basically anywhere you can go outside of your home where youre gathering with other people what the state department is urging is just exercise caution wherever you go. What we are hearing from u. S. Officials is that they have expected attacks like the one that happened in paris. And another u. S. Official told us this is in perpetuity what were dealing with. Its like the war on drugs. This isnt going to stop. So obviously, very scary. And the big message is exercise caution wherever you go. Reporter all right. It is so broad as to perhaps even be i mean not useless because, of course you have to be vigilant but it does cover truly everywhere you can possibly be outside of your own home. But there is a concern, it seems, from u. S. Officials, intelligence officials and the highest levels of government that this parisstyle attack might be something that terrorists might want to replicate in the United States. Why are they saying that . Reporter well thats exactly right. And one thing that we are hearing from Law Enforcement officials is that they are going back through her databases, scrubbing for any potential suspected terrorists. There are a small percentage of americans who have traveled abroad to syria who theyre tracking and thinking about contacting directly who they are afraid could replicate this style of attack in the u. S. So u. S. Officials are being vigilant themselves and are trying really hard to prevent these kinds of attacks. But obviously in some instances, they are very hard to prevent. Reporter erin mcpike at the white house. Thanks very much. Fredericka from paris, back to you. Well check back in with you. Thanks so much hala gorani in paris. Some u. S. Officials say we have no reason to be asurprised by the paris attacks this week. Listen to mike rogers former member of the House Committee on intelligence. Ive been concerned when i was chairman. Im still concerned today. That the sheer volume of those possibilities are just one plane ticket away. Joining me right now, Bernard Kerik who was new York City Police commissioner during the 9 11 attacks. Good to see you. Thank you, fredericka. Ever since it is very glaring that the attacks have changed in method in execution ever since, particularly on u. S. Soil what is most notable about what took place in paris as to what the intelligence or Law Enforcement community can learn about how these attacks are being carried out by very small number of people and how, with great training they are being executed very successfully . Well i think you have to look at the history of what happened before the attack in paris where one or both of the brothers went to yemen and trained with al qaeda and came back to paris to carry out this attack. We now have depending on who you talk to between 100 and 1,000 u. S. Citizens and far more brits and europeans that have gone into syria and iraq to train with al qaeda, train with isis and these other radical groups. Well eventually theyre going to come back to this country. And thats why you hear the warnings by the fbi and by the u. S. State department talking about the possibility of attacks in this country. I testified before the 9 11 commission back in 2004 and ever since then i have written a series of articles basically saying and predicting these things will happen. Weve had 13 or 14 different attempts on new york city alone and others around the country. This enemy is not going away. Its not cowering. They have enormous patience. Theyre going to wait us out, and eventually Something Like paris will happen here. We just have to realize that its coming. Its coming. And thats why you now hear the warnings for the fbi from the fbi and state department. And i have to be honest. There isnt anyone in this country that should be surprised by those warnings. And they should recognize those warnings and adhere to them for decades to come. So then that really underscores the concern because you talk about the 1,000 americans who may be going overseas and training. Weve heard numbers between 400 and 1,500 french nationals who have made their way to either syria or yemen for similar kinds of training. And when you say its coming, then what can Law Enforcement do if not to be able to prevent or get ahead of the attacks, but what can Law Enforcement do to in some way, you know impact those who are getting the training to carry out these attacks . Well fredericka you have to realize, were in far, far greater shape today in the Intelligence Networks that we have. And our global reach of intelligence than we were on september 10th of 2011. What do you mean by that . Theres a lot more coordination. Theres a lot more intelligence gathering. Theres a lot more communication between local, state and federal authorities. And theres an enormous amount of coordination between the United States and abroad that we didnt have prior to september 11th, 2001. That being said i think were in better shape to collect intelligence and go after some of these people identify them. But more importantly, i think we have to look at our legislators and go after these people that are going there to train and possibly coming back to carry out these attacks. We have to ask our legislators, do we have the laws to go after them as theyre going . Do we have the right to pick them up and have them locked up for fighting against us in a foreign country or possessing arms for a foreign nation . I think those are the things that we have to be extremely preemptive and proactive at doing right now. And as it pertains to that training that you speak of is it your view that there is a greater sophistication in the training and thats why you have so many whether it be lone wolfs or even small groups able to carry out such attacks . Well theres more sophistication in the training abroad. They have a lot more resources. Isis has enormous resources overseas where they are training the people that are going over there. And the barbarity of attacks in iraq syria, afghanistan is above anything we have ever seen. And as you watched that video in paris, you realize these guys carried out that attack with strategic moves, cover and concealment, quite military. They werent scattered. They werent excited. Thats whats going on abroad and thats what went on in paris. And we could see here. And if you add four of those attacks on the same day at the same time in this country, the economic backlash the assault on our tourism, on our schools, economic freedoms it would be pretty horrible. Bernard kerik, thanks so much appreciate it from new york. Thank you. And well be right back. son oh no. Can you fix it, dad . Yeah, i can fix that. dad i wanted a car that could handle anything. I fixed it dad thats why i got a subaru legacy. vo symmetrical allwheel drive plus 36 mpg. 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And also this Police Source saying that they believe that sleeper cells may have been activated in the last 24 hours in france. And so therefore, Police Officers and Security Services are being asked to be very vigilant especially considering the fact that theres a big unity march taking place in the french capital tomorrow with tens of thousands of people expected to converge on some key areas in paris to show solidarity with the murdered Charlie Hebdo journalists and those surrounding that area where the massacre took place. Also to update you on another piece of breaking news to all our viewers, fredericka the girlfriend the woman believed to be the girlfriend of the man who took months damages at the kosher supermarket yesterday, Hayat Boumediene that she entered turkey on january 2nd, a full week before any of the attacks that took place wednesday, thursday and friday starting with that massacre at Charlie Hebdo. So two big breaking news items here on cnn, bringing those to you. The whereabouts of that woman who is the subject of a big manhunt in the country, she may not even be in france anymore, possibly making her way to syria. And also a lot of vigilance on the part of Police Officers and Security Services asking Law Enforcement not to identify themselves online as being members of the Police Services and Police Forces in this country and also that some of these sleeper cells and that is a big concern, as you know fredericka may have been activated in the last 24 hours. Well stay on top of all this for you. Back to you. All right. Hala very interesting, too, while intelligence officials are willing to say that she indeed this 26yearold may have left france at the beginning of the year certainly theres documentation that she arrived into turkey its still unclear from these intelligence sources whether they are confident, whether she has left turkey. We know that she was bound for syria according to these officials. But are we getting any real clarity as to whether theres any documentation or tracking yet that says definitively she left turkey . Reporter no we dont have that. We dont have sources confirming that to us. We have the mileprime Ministry Source in turkey saying she did arrive there january 2nd, and Police Services there have a track on her. For you, do they have a track on her inside of turkey . Were they able to observe that she crossed the border into syria . Thats unclear. However, they are saying to cnn, this one particular source that they do have an idea it seems, on the whereabouts of Hayat Boumediene. And this will be very precious information to security and Intelligence Services in this country, in france because they would like to get ahold of this woman in order to get more on exactly how these operations took place. She, after all, is believed to be the girlfriend of one of the attackers who killed a female Police Officer on thursday and took all these people hostage in that kosher supermarket. Okay. And then we understand hala, from your vantage point, were on the eve of what is going to be a very sizeable unity rally throughout the country tomorrow. The interior minister saying earlier, 700,000 people citizens would be taking part from paris to the many parisian suburbs as well. We understand there are heads of state from germany, great britain, turkey as well. And now we understand that Benjamin Netanyahu of israel is also going to be among those making their way there tomorrow. Give us a sense as to what kind of preparations are under way to secure paris and beyond marseilles lyonnais. Reporter well its complicated enough at the best of times, to have heads of state of that caliber all converge on the same place. So you can imagine that just a few days after essentially what was a mass murder operation against the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo gunmen on the loose throughout paris and beyond and the suburbs of the french capital. You can imagine what police officials, military officials, the interior ministry the Mayors Office the french government is having to go through in terms of preparation to make sure everybody is safe. The interior minister just a few hours ago, and we took it on our air, fredericka, was trying to reassure ordinary french citizens telling them look were doing our best. Its maximum security. We have thousands of troops fanned out across the capital and other major cities. Dont worry. Were doing our best. But there has to be some level of nervousness so close to the Charlie Hebdo massacre you know as authorities prepare for these important vip visits and these big rallies. Indeed. All right, hala gorani from paris, thank you so much. Lets talk more now of higHayat Boumedienes possible connection to the killings. Highlighting a disturbing trend in global terror. Women taking to the front lines of jihad and not just as suicide bombers but as prominent fullfledged soldiers fighting for islamist militant groups. Heres cnns randi kaye. Reporter look closely. That jihadist behind the veil is a mother of two. Her name used to be sally jones. But after she converted to islam, she reportedly changed it to sakina hussein. This photo with the ak47 is a far cry from this one from 2004 published in the daily mail. It shows her celebrating the birth of her new baby. Now shes believed to be an isis fighter in syria. She moved there from the uk after meeting a hackerturnedmilitant online. She told the lon ton times that her youngest child is with her, too, and that hes taken the muslim name hamza. She was widely quoted online saying my son and i love life with the beheaders. This jihadist is also from britain, a 21yearold medical student. On twitter she posted this disturbing image, a woman in a white doctors coat and black burqa holding a human head. The posting read dream job. A terrorist doc. And included a smiley face and love hearts. In other postings she reportedly praised yemeni cleric Anwar Al Awlaki and shared images of the execution by isis of u. S. Journalist steven sotloff. In september, terror analysts estimated that as many as 15 of isiss foreign recruits could be female with up to 200 women from at least 14 different countries. Experts say the women are motivated by the idea of meeting a jihadist husband. Theyre hoping for the prestige that comes with husbands who die as martyrs. Long before isis the Israeli Palestinian conflict also gave rise to female terrorists including this grandmother. She tried to blow up Israeli Soldiers in gaza in 2006 but died after detonating explosives in her belt. Her family reportedly said she wanted to become a martyr. And what about this woman . Colleen la rose who goes by the name jihad jane after converting to islam online. She traveled to europe in 2009 part of a plot to shoot and kill swedish artist lars wilks after he depicted the head of the Prophet Muhammad on a dog. She was arrested after returning to philadelphia. Larose was sentenced last january to ten years in prison. All women looking to make a name for themselves in martyrdom, and the list is growing. Randi kaye, cnn, new york. And well be right back with more from the newsroom. Hey guess what day it is . . Hump day hummmp daaay its hump day yeah hey Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike mike mike. Hey he knows hey guess what day it is hey camel guess what day it is its not even wednesday. Let it go, phil. If youre a camel, you put up with this all the time. Its what you do. sigh if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Its what you do. Ok. Welcome back to our live coverage of the terror attacks in paris. This week terrorists targeted the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo which has skewered everyone from a french icon like Charles De Gaulle to the pope. But when it went after muhammad this was the result violence and death. The terrorists saying the attack was in revenge for defaming muhammad. Joining me now is an International Human rights lawyer. Hes in washington. And from london fawaz gerges at the London School of economics. First to you, and of course youre also the Senior Editor of the islamic founder and we follow you on twitter as well. What do you say to people who say, you know Charlie Hebdo drew pictures mocking the pope. You didnt have catholics massacring its journalists. Why are these caricatures, these cartoons that after all, are only drawings creating a situation where terrorists feel it is their duty to conduct these mass killings . Well hala i think the first thing that is important to keep in mind is that these cartoons were actually published five years ago. You know this wasnt like last week and this was some sort of instant retribution. You know we all remember the 2005 danish cartoon controversy when they published 12 incendiary cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad so that context needs to be put in place. At the end of the day, when you have three lone wolfs who decide to take matters into their own hands, you know that shouldnt be indicative or representative of you know the 1. 7 billion musliming worldwide who are in horror and absolutely condemn the attacks that happened in paris. Reporter right, but im not actually suggesting that. Im asking you why, even a tiny minority of muslims and by the way, in the case of the danish cartoons it was big, big demonstrations. It wasnt just a few people. Why is this type of reaction among some muslims, but not, for instance among followers of other faiths whose prophets or whose leaders are also lampooned . Well i think if you look at i guess, theologically it would be because in islam, any sort of depiction of not only the Prophet Muhammad but any prophet or any god is not allow allowed. And so you know you dont have that sort of you know theological teaching in other traditions. And again, that does not justify at all what happened. But, you know in terms of the theological underpinnings, that would probably be the reason. Reporter fawaz gerges when you heard of this attack what was your first thought when you heard that this had happened this thing that people feared the most this homegrown terrortype attack happened . What did you think . Well i mean first of all, on the human and moral level, it is a catastrophe. I mean in the heart of europe not only you have 12 people who were killed innocent people but also the implications the civilizational cultural and societal implications for the arab and Muslim Community in the heart of europe even though the arab the Muslim Community is responsible for the deeds of few people. Secondly i was not surprised, truly, laul thathala and im not exaggerating. Youre talking about ideology the ideology of militant lets call it islamism even though its a very inaccurate term. An ideology hala that tries to hijack islamic identity an ideology that useviews the world in terms of us and them. An ideology that basically tries to exact vengeance against imagined and real enemies, an ideology that does not really believe in any kind of tolerance, coexistence of diversity, of open society. This is an ideology its an absolutist ideology. And these people belong, regardless of whether they received direct orders hala from the socalled al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and yemen or not, they subscribe to this ideology, an ideology that views the world in black and white. In this particular sense, what surprised me is that their ability to carry out the attack in the heart of france and get away with it. All right. Arsalan, i want to give you the last word on this one. Over the last 72 hours, ive heard some people say why do moderate muslims and Muslim Community leaders not come out and say very firmly we disavow these attacks, we repudiate the attackers and this ideology . What do you respond to that when you hear that question being asked by some . Well you know hala thats why, you know public intellectuals, Muslim Leaders, scholars continue to make the rounds you know condemning these acts of terrorism. Its important to keep in mind that there is literally no minority Demographic Group in western societies today that is placed with more collective guilt than muslims. You know when Anders Brevik tried to bomb the Prime Minister of norways office, leaving behind a 1500page manifesto calling him a soldier of christianity we didnt expect the pope and priests and pastors around the world to condemn these acts because we knew they were not indicative of christian teachings. But sadly, there is a double standard in place where when some crazy muslim commits an act of murder all muslims are somehow, you know, perceived as guilty. All right. Arsalan, the Senior Editor of thes you the islamic monthly founder and fawaz gerges thanks to both of you for being on cnn. Im hala gorani. Thanks for being with us. Well be right back. [container door opening] what makes it an suv is what you can get into it. [container door closing] what makes it an nx is what you can get out of it. 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If the general provided classified information to help her write this book then, of course, hes breaking the law. I guess id have to know how the actual information was passed because remember Paula Broadwell was an army reserve officer, military intelligence. She had access to this information on her own. Why it was in her computer at home is another question. But for general petraeus who was the director of the cia would provide classified information to someone writing a book is inconceivable to me. But if the Justice Department has brought these charges, they must have something that makes that direct link. I was shocked when i read this. Its just unconceivable to me that a general officer with four stars and that background now running an Intelligence Agency would make that kind of mistake. Yeah. Well thats whats so extraordinary, too. If it you know yes, a mistake in one form of thought, but then the other is would it also mean that perhaps she may have participated a little bit more or provided a bit more information to prosecutors unbeknownst to him that helps enhance this potential set of charges that could come against him . I think thats a real possibility because if you look at what the evidence is and some of the charges and you read between the lines there, shes in trouble as well. Right now theyre talking about bringing charges against him. I didnt see anything about bringing charges against her. So she may be cooperating with this investigation. She may be providing evidence against general petraeus in order to save herself. I mean i dont know if thats the case but theres a lot more here that needs to be brought forward. And as weve seen in the new york times, the general has said hes not interested in a plea deal which leads me to believe that there might not be anything there on the petraeus providing the information side. But somebody provided her these documents that were in her computer. Right. Multistar general, underscoring your point, but what does this do to his legacy . Does it essentially erase it . It will if theres any evidence behind these charges. And if they file charges, then hell have to defend himself. Hell have his day in court. But that will forever tar his legacy. Its going to be very dangerous. And this is a shame because, you know he was hes an iconic figure of this century. He was responsible for what many perceived was the surge, the success of the surge in iraq. So for him to have this hanging over his head this needs to be resolved for his legacy. But if hes found guilty this will be the fall of someone from the very top. Right. Its just beyond. And quickly, in your view military trial or civilian court primarily or both . This looks like its going to be a civilian trial because theyre doing it in federal court. I doubt if the army will go after him because the federal thing is probably more serious. And this will be tried because he was in the role of director of central Intelligence Agency when this alleged action took place. So i dont think the armys going to have anything to do with this. What a tough fall indeed. All right. Colonel francona, thanks so much. Appreciate it. And well be right back. The terrorists who carried out the attacks in france are linked to al qaedas top european recruiter. Cnns Deborah Feyerick sorts out the terrorist ties. Reporter they were not only friends they were not only friends, they were associates and members of the same jihadi terror cells, says a western intelligence source. Cherif kouachi and amedy amedycoulibala. Pagal was convicted in 2005 of plotting to attack the u. S. Embassy in paris. French authorities have 45,000 pages of wiretapped transcripts and surveillance images says the source. They include this 2010 meeting with cherif kouachi. Pagal is in the tan pants. Cherifs friend and now fugitive hayat booumediene visited them. Hes french algerian. So too, is the man convicted of the paris metro bombing. Cherif and amedy was arrested in 2010 in a failed plot to free that imprisoned bomber. Amedy was arrested with 240 rounds of kaammunition and was convicted. The source says there is not enough evidence to bring cherif to trial. Theyre now both dead in a Police Response to a terror attack that has authorities searching for a larger cell. Deborah feyerick cnn, new york. And our coverage of the france terror problem continues right now. Im fredericka whitfield. Jim shut toeciutto is in paris. Reporter thank you, fredericka. Welcome to our viewers. Heres in paris, were going to give you the latest. A fresh wave of fear rising tonight. A French Police telling our cnn terror analyst that terror sleeper cells were activated over the last 24 hours inside france. Police officers here have been told to erase all traces of their Online Presence on social media and to keep their weapons close at all times. Meanwhile, the hunt is on for the worlds mostwanted terror companion, 26yearold Hayat Boumediene is the only person suspected of connections to the terror spree in paris who is still alive. A turkish source telling cnn that boumediene entered turkey on january 2nd from france. A french source tells cnn that she then may have been heading on to syria. And this. Cnn has learned that israeli