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Capturing a killer. Meantime, thank you so much for joining us in this hour. Cnn primetime with Abbey Philip Start right now. Do you think your dog could do that . I dont want to find out, but yoda looked really proud of himself. He did a good job. Thanks, kaitlan. Bye. Im abby philip. Right now, joe biden is not the strongest candidate for the presidency, the evidence is right there in front of us. The majority of democrats think he is too old and they want another candidate. The the clock ticks toward the election, does the president still have the support among the people who got him to the white house in the first place . In moment ill speak with the man who propelled biden to the nomination be the presidency, jim clyburn, but first, one of bidens weaknesses according to experts is his number two, Vice President Kamala Harris. Her numbers arent great either. A poll from over the summer showed half of voters have a negative view of harris. Thats one of the lowest ratings for that poll. Among democrats she is more popularing but listen to House Speaker nancy pelosi earlier tonight right here on cnn. Is Vice President Kamala Harris the best running mate for this president . He thinks so, and thats what matters. Do you think she is the best running mate, though . Shes the Vice President of the United States. People say to me, why isnt she doing this or that . Because shes the Vice President. Thats the description. Thats not exactly a loud endorsement, but it is worth noting, harris, The First Black Woman to serve as Vice President sustained unusual and relentless attacks from republicans. If you listen to the candidates who are running on the republican side you would think theyre running against her and not biden. A vote for joe biden is a vote for Kamala Harris. I think i would look for somebody who in every quality, id go down the list of Kamala Harris, wed pick the opposite. If you want the hear the scariest word on any screen in the country, Kamala Harris is ready to be your president. That should scare the dickens out of all of us. If we muff this one and biden gets in again, heck, you may end up with kamala as president. Look, i think joe biden and Kamala Harris are going to be the great unifier of the Republican Party. I pray every night for the good health of joe biden, not only because hes president , but look at who the Vice President is. Everyone knows if Kamala Harris becomes president were in serious trouble of losing your country. Joining us now, James Clyburn of South Carolina. Hes the Campaign Cochair for the biden harris 2024 reelection campaign. Congressman, thank you for being here today. Thank you very much for having me. As everyone knows you are one of President Bidens biggest political allies and he is now facing a lot of questions about whether he should move forward in this campaign. Is he the right candidate for democrats in 2024 . Well, i certainly think so. A lot of people question whether or not he was the right candidate back in 2020. You may recall the first three races did not go well, first three contests. But on the fourth time was the charm, and he went on to win all the races on Super Tuesday. Maybe not quite all, but very, very close to it. Super tuesday was over, it was a foregone conclusion he would be the nominee. Joe biden has had the history of that sort of thing, running against an encumbent at the age of 29 and defeating him. Nobody gave him a chance then. Nobody gave him a chance in 2020, and here he is the president of the United States and now theyre questioning him again. I think hes going to be fine. You might be selling yourself a little short there. In your role in helping him even get to Super Tuesday by endorsing him just before the South Carolina primary. But i wonder, have you spoken to the president about all of this, the growing calls for him to step aside for the good of the party and the good of the country . Well, you know, i have not talked to him about that. We talked before, even on this trip, and he left a message the night before he left, but we have not talked in the last three or four days. Ill talk to him real soon and ill tell him what im telling you, and that is what im hearing from people who really matter in these things, they are all sold on his reelection. And i know the pundits are there and the people are writing. I saw the oped this morning or the editorial. I still feel that joe biden is much closer to the voters than most of these people in the ivory towers. Last fall, the House Democratic leadership, including yourself you made a decision to basically pass the torch to a trio of new younger leaders. Should President Biden do the same on the principle that maybe the time has come for the next generation to take a step up . Well, i think he is passing the torch. He is being transitional. He said that when he ran. The question is what the timetable is. People are trying to tell him what his timetable should be. He never said that he would be anything but a transitional president. Congressman, one of the other elements of this, and you just referenced the column that called on biden to step aside. It also referenced Vice President Kamala Harris saying that her low Approval Ratings should be a factor here. Should biden consider, as some of these democrats and liberals are suggesting, should he consider another Vice President ial pick . No, he should not. I think Vice President Kamala Harris has done a great job. People want her in her first term, first two years, to be the kind of Vice President that joe biden was in his sixth and seventh year of his vice presidency. Everybody gets a Learning Curve in this business. You arent born a United States congressman. You arent born a Vice President. You have to learn the job. She got elected. She has learned the job. She is doing the job efficiently and effectively, and she cannot and should not be held responsible for her gender or her race. And too much of that is involved in these discussions. I want to play for you what former Speaker Nancy Pelosi said just moments ago on cnn. Is Vice President Kamala Harris the best running mate for this president . He thinks so, and thats what matters. Do you think she is the best running mate, though . Shes the Vice President of the United States. People say to me, why isnt she doing this or that . I say, because these the Vice President. Thats the job description. So congressman, just to point out, she did stop short of a full endorsement. You brought this up about the learning conservative. Republicans right now are running on the idea that Vice President harris may have to step in if President Biden wins a second term. Theyre trying to use that against her. What you say in response to what you heard from Speaker Pelosi there be and also the idea that republican say there is no time for a Learning Curve . A Learning Curve has already taken place. I said, she spent her first two years learning this job. Shes learned it well, and shes doing it efficiently and effectively, and thats what matters to me. And thats what i think shes doing. And on Speaker Pelosis comments there . I have no comment on that. I just said what i feel, and thats what i stand by. Congressman, while i have you, i wanted to get your reaction to the House Republican Impeachment Inquiry, alleging what theyre calling a Culture Of Corruption involving President Biden and his family. What do you make of the fact that it seems that Speaker Mccarthy is planning to move forward with this without even holding a vote on an Impeachment Inquiry . Well, i think hes not holding the vote because he doesnt have the votes and the fact of the matter is he may not need the votes in order to start this process, but he has to have the votes, you know, to end it. I dont think there are people 218 people in the House Of Representatives who feel that a person a president in this instance, should be impeached for being a father. And thats all thats taking place here. A man whos being a father to his son. And there is nothing else that connects him to this issue than being a father of the son whos being accused. All right, congressman James Clyburn, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you, very much for having me. And now on to a couple of democrats and two different views of President Bidens chances. Former Senior Adviser to Hillary Clinton Felipe Ryanus and cochair for Bernie Sanders 2020 president ial campaign, nina turner. Felipe, is joe biden really the only person who can beat a donald trump in 2024 . I think whats funny about this conversation is that the same question was posed to us in 2020 and the answer was a resounding yes, he is the one to beat donald trump, and hes the only one. And it was decisive. I mean, once biden wont South Carolina you mean democratic voters were redesacrificive in think he was the best candidate. That seems to have changed though. I think what hasnt changed is democrats skittishness about this stuff. The same reason they wanted joe biden to win in 2020 because they wanted donald trump out, theres the same nerves kicking in now because people are desperate to make sure donald trump doesnt get in now. Nina, i want to bring you in now. There an argument being made here that there is time to choose a different nominee if youre a democrat. Maybe there is, maybe there isnt, but who would be an alternative realistically if democrats did not have biden at the top of the ticket . Well, if the process was open and fair, we would see, and because its not open and fair, we cant see. And obviously we have an encumbent president right now, so the dnc will not allow for any debates. But there are two candidate running now trying to win the democratic nomination, and thats Marianne Williamson and Robert Kennedy jr. And dr. Cornell west running as a green candidate. Many governor types that would step into this race in congress will not step into this race because of encouplumbent si andw theyll crash and burn with the democrats who control the levers of power in 2020. As i remember until people who were even ahead of senator biden before he became or Vice President biden before he became the president got out of the race and jumped in on his side. So it wasnt decisive early on in that primary about which democrat could have actually won. Senator Bernie Sanders could have won and would have beaten donald trump, but we will never know because the levers of power played it a different way. Sorry, abby i have to speak for myself. Im older than 35. Im a naturalized american citizen, and ive lived in the United States for the previous 14 years. There is nothing stops me from running for president right now against joe biden or against, for that matter, in the republican field or as a Third Party Candidate. I dont think theres anything stopping nina. So without relitigating the dnc fix thing of 2016, i think right now if a governor or member is not running because theyre worried about getting shellacked by the president , then that person probably shouldnt be president. But thats not the reason why theyre running. You and i both know the reason theyre not running is because they dont want to be shutout. They dont want to become a pariah. If they run against the encumbent president , the full weight of the dnc and others will come down on those candidates. Those are the reasons why they are not running. And abby, another point, in that cnn poll it showed clearly that 67 of those polled, democratic voters and democratic leaning voters want to Democratic Party to have another nominee, another choice. But yet those in the Bubble Refuse to listen to what the people have the say. Hold on, those 60something percent were listened to in 2020, and whether you want to call it early dominating by the current president or later, they vote for joe biden, too, so to act as if they had no say in this is wrong. Let me jump in here. I do wonder, felipe, one of the things thats happening among democrats is it seems like there are democrats talking about this privately. I have had those private conversation. And they dont want to talk about it publicly. The David Ignatius column is making a big splash because hes saying the quiet part outloud, which is what democrats accuse republicans of being able to do. Im wondering this is the conversation that your own party is having, but no one wants to take it seriously. I have this conversation with friends and it drives me crazy when they bring it up, when they talk about bidens health, bidens age. You know, Gina Ray Mondo would be a better number two. I want to throttle them. But i take a step back and i ask them, walk me through how it would go differently. You dont want so and so at the top of the ticket or bottom . Whos the alternative . Yes,s The A Chatter Class this is bigger than go ahead. This is really bigger than chatter class. This is what we have to wrap our minds around. The American People are being polled. They are being asked the question. Now, folks in the bubble want to pretend that its just the chatter class, but no, its big mama and big papa in the hoods around this country, whether theyre rural, urban, or suburban who have questions about the president s age, health, and economy. And theyre right to ask those questions. Absolutely. What the Democratic Party must do is not dismiss what theyre asking but to prove that this president deserves another term. They absolutely have the right and responsibility to ask, but they also need to listen to the answers. To whose answers . Yours . The truth of the matter is joe biden is 80 and donald trump is 77. We can argue about whether that should be the choice between the two people, but thats whats going to be in front of us. If your father is 80 and your mother is 77 you didnt say dad marry a younger girl. We had one president who came within an inch of his life to covid. We have another one who walks with a different gait. What we see is what we get. He doesnt go and do cart wheels. Its an anxiety. It might be legit it is legit. You have to be open to hearing the answers. Its legit to asking those concerns. The census data shows Childhood Poverty increased by over 12 over the last year. That anxiety so, if we have poor children, that means we have poor families, poor communities. This isnt about so its economic anxiety. I want to raise one for thing. Ill start with you, nina. We discussed earlier heard what Speaker Pelosi said about the Vice President Kamala Harris. She is factoring into this in a way that is very unusual, nina. What do you make of the fact that voters seem to be less enthusiastic about her, too, and that republicans decided thats going to be the issue they run on here . Well, republicans are dealing with a cultural war here, and ill put that in the parking lot. There is no doubt that the Vice President is enduring some things that others have not had to endure. One is gender and the other is race. Those two factors are true. It is also true there are Policy Differences. There are Policy Differences between republicans and democrats and certainly within the Democratic Party, those of us who are freedom fighting progressives dont rock well with neoliberals. All those things can be true at the same time, and let us not forget in 2020 the current Vice President dropped out of the race because she was not going to win her own state, so its not as though some of these anxieties are not brand new. They were there when she was running in 2020. But without a doubt, race and gender does play some role. I wont say its 100 , but its definitely there. All right, thank you both for an interesting discussion. Thank you. Also tonight, new explosive words from mitt romney about his party. Plus, Vivek Ramaswamy pledging to cut a million federal jobs if hes elected and now trump is making his own promises. And a bizarre scene during the capture of that escaped inmate as crews had him strike a pose. Laura cotes is on the ground there in pennsylvania. Thats ahead. Unlike some othe, it supports 7 Brain Healalth indicators, including Mental A Alertness from one serving. To help keep me sharp. Try nenew neuriva ultra. Think bigger. Julians about to learn that free food is a personal eating trigger. No, it isnt. sigh yes, it is. And thats just a bit of Psychology Julian learned from. Sign up now at noom. M. Thursday night football on prime. Its on. Thursday night football returns, as the vikings take on the eagles. Stream thursday night football. Only on prime. sfx Stone Wheel Crafting the biggest ideas inspire new ones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. It still does. What can you do with spy . Some republicans dont believe in the constitution. Those words are not from a democrat, but they are from republican senator mitt romney, the utah senator announcing today that he will not seek reelection. The 76yearold was the first senator in u. S. History to vote to remove a sitting president from the same party. In addition to being a critic of trump, hes criticize some of his republican colleagues. Romney cites his own age as among the factors driving this decision for him. I do think the times were living in demand the next generation to step up and express their Point Of View and make decisions that will shape our american politics over the coming century, and just having a bunch of guys, baby boomers, around the post war era, were not the ones to be making the right decisions for tomorrow. With me now, sofia nelson and george conway. Sofia, i feel like we cannot escape this generational issue. In all of these different places. Theres the biden of it all, the romney of it all, the pelosi. Mitt romney is saying pretty clearly, its time for us boomers to move on. I agree with him i admit im a little sad. I like mitt romney. Last time i saw him we were at a fundraiser for liz cheney. George and i were talking that the Republican Party we knew is kind of different would you say . I think he threw big shade at the president and trump today and said, basically, you guys need to follow suit. But i think the genx, our generation has not stepped up because the boomers have been on the stage for so long and id like to see more of us run for office, be in office and, get involved for millennials. So yeah, i agree. Both of you are can i call you republican expats here . Yeah, kinda sorta. Escapees. Homeless. For folks like you, this exit of romney from the stage is a different kind of moment. He made a statement today, he said, a very large portion of my party really doesnt believe in the constitution. Thats a pretty strong statement, and then for him to say that and then say, but im going to say goodbye, it really almost kind of raises the question, does he feel like he cant continue to fight . I think hes right about the generational aspect. There does need to be a new generation in both parties, but its very, very sad to see him step away and make that statement, which is undeniably true, that so many people now in the Republican Party its now a personality cult. Its all about the desires and whims and the fear of one man who is basically a sociopath, a psychopath. And its stunning to just try to contemplate how this one man has captured an entire party and essentially rendered it devoid of any principle or meaning and turned it into a cult. And romney is absolute you look at romney, and hes being very, very reflective here on that in this book, and you see in him a humility and a humanity and a patriotism that is just almost absent now in the rest of the party. One of the things ill never forget about mitt romney is the historic vote for ketanji jackson, and only he and Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins voted for her to be elected. He was clapping and the other republicans were walking out the door angry. That never would have happened 30 years ago. The Voting Rights act, George Walker bush was the last president to sign the extension. His daddy before him signed it. It was never a question. These things would pass 1000, 900. The First Black Supreme Court Justice would have got 70 votes on a bad day. Now the republicans walk out on history. I dont recognize this party. I think that People Like Us who do a lot of talking and thinking and analyzing are going to have to step up. Im definitely interested in doing that a little later down the road. Not much later. I think theyre going to have to be a new generation of people that come from the party we do that take it back once its completely ruined, because if donald trump is reelected, i dont know whats left of the republic to be honest after four years in the Republican Partys decimated. I just dont know. I think the Republican Party is decimated any way. Its on its way there. I think its there. I think there is little doubt, none in my mind, that a man who has been found adjudicated by a u. S. District judge and a jury to be a rapist who is under indictment in four separate jurisdictions, who stole classified documents and committed obstruction, tried to hide them from the government, who george, it doesnt matter to those people. Thats the on it, and thats the problem. Let me play more of romney. I think it kind of speaks to the point youre making here. Then again on the trump wing of the party i havent heard policy, other than saying were going to build a wall, and by the way, he was president for four years. He built 50 miles. What did he get done . Tax change. That was paul ryan. That wasnt the biden plan. He had a Health Care Plank remember that . Even was going to have low Cost Health Insurance that was fabulous . Never proposed. Never saw it. He was in four year. So its not a policycentric approach, and if you dont have policy to match your rhetoric, ultimately its not going to be successful. I mean, listen, mitt romney uncut. Thats what youre getting now. Hes free. He doesnt have to worry about a reelection. Probably would have been primaried by some maga person in utah. Mike lee wouldnt have loved him too much, because he didnt endorse him in the last race. And i think hes tired. Again, saw him at the liz cheney event we did for her in northern virginia, and you can see it. Hes tire ofd of fighting. Hes a good man. Good human being. I hate to see him leave the stage, but i get it. This conversation often centers around, sit trump . But its a chicken and egg thing. Is it trump or trump voter . Its both. Its a nasty cycle. He talked today about what else. Is there a Third Party Candidate . No label situation . He has saiding i lobby continuously that it would only elect trump. Hes talk about no labels there. And part of it is because the trump voters, the people willing to vote for trump are not necessarily moveable in the way that you would expect. Theyre not persuadable by reason. Theyre not persuadable by facts. They try to exclude facts and evidence from their own mind. They turn off what they dont want to hear. The man stole classified documents. They dont want to believe that. So they just ignore it. They they its just a complete abdication from realtime. But abby, i think we have to dig deeper as a country and ask ourselves, why are we here . Thats the discussion were not having. I asked you this. I dont have an answer. Why would anybody want to elect somebody that has four federal indictments against them and 91 counts . Thats irrationalle. Somethings going on with the country with at least a third 20 of the electorate, they are turned on by this. This excites them. This revenge, this, were going to wipe out the government. You know, desantis wants to slit throats, he says, on day one. I mean, the rhetoric viveks rhetoric, its violent, angry. Theyre angry, so i think we need to be paying attention to whats going on. I have a feeling mitt romney is spending a lot of time thinking about those issues in a broader context, not just about the United States, but about the history of demagoguery and strong men and what that means for this country this particular stage. Its a big conversation. Ware not done with it. Sofia and george, thank you both very much. Were dangerously close to the first ever simultaneous strike against the big three automakers. Plus, chilling new details about how police end up capturing that escaped inmate in pennsylvania. Laura cotes is on the ground live next. Oh, oh, oh. Ill be the judge of that. Oh, thats nice. Oh searchable, verified reviews. Thats better than the ham, and ive never said that. Booking. Com booking. Yeah upbeat music constant contacts advanced automation lets you send the right message at the right time, every time. constant contact. Helping the small stand tall. Nice footwork. Man, youre lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. Now you can stream all your games like its nothing. Yes [ cheers ] yeah woho running up and down that field looks tough. Its a pitch. Get way more into what youre into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. 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My colleague laura coates is in pennsylvania for her Special Edition of cnn tonight. Youre there on the ground, seeing this landscape firsthand. Does it give you a better understanding of how hard it was, why it took so long to capture this dangerous man . Reporter abby, absolutely. The prosecutor in me had to see it for myself. I had been hearing like Everyone Else had been hearing about a nearly twoweek manhunt. How could that be . How could he have eluded for so long . Then i see it for myself tonight. Im talking about Pitch Blackness around me. But for the lights surrounding me right now, you cannot see more than your hands in front of you in this actual land, and there are so many different areas where someone can actually hide. I sat down and talked to people in a community, an owner of a farm where this was right behind where i am right now, where he was ultimately captured a few hundred yards away, what that was like in that area not only for the community members, abby, to feel terrorized by this person they knew already was extremely dangerous, but also was now armed. How did they find him, where would he have been. The vast expanse were talking about from the prison and here, were a few yards away from the end of the perimeter. Thats how close he really was to being outside of where the cops were even looking for him. Not just cops. Of course talk about what grew into a national manhunt. Seeing it for ourselves. Were going to cover i a lot of it tonight. We have the chief detective who was overseeing a lot of this stuff today in this county. Well talk to him, david sassa about what his experience was, what this was all like, and what it took to capture this extremely dangerous man. Yeah, its going to be an extremely fascinating special that you have planned for us tonight. The desperation of this man and the danger people were in in that part of pennsylvania was hard to fathom. Laura, thank you so much, and everyone capturing a killer is coming up next right here at 11 00 a. M. Coming up next, Vivek Ramaswamy is vowing to slash the federal work force by 75 if he becomes president. Is he trying to oneup donald trump here . Plus, the secret Service Agent who is upending the Lone Gunman Theory in the jfk assassination, he is now speaking out in his very First Television interview. Do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet . Try Nervive Nerve relief from the worlds number one nerve care company. Nervive contains ala to relieve nerve aches, and bcomplex vitamins to fortify healthy nves. Try nervive. And, try nervive pain relieving rollon. How long have you been tracking the value of our car . Should we sell it . We hold. Our low mileage is paying off. You think we should. Hold. Hoooold hooold now im on it. Im, on it. Already sold to carvana. Go to carvana and track your cars value today. Another day, another bold policy proposal from republican president ial candidate vivek rama ramaswamy, and this time its around the federal work force. Heres what hes proposing to do in his first term if hes elected to the presidency. Listen. It will be a plan that reduces the size of the federal employee head count by over 75 if im the next president , by the end of my first term. 50 of which is implementable by the end of year one. I want to bring in former Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott walker. Hes the president of young americas foundation. Governor walker, thank you for being here. I should say, we dont probably as much as i would like, talk about policy, so were going to do a little bit of that here with you. Nice. This particular one from mr. Ramaswamy, even he admits that Something Like this would be an uphill climb, and im sure youre simympathetic to slashin the size of the federal goth, but Something Like this is it really reasonable to expect him to do Something Like this . We just ended one of our college conferences. I think thats one of the reasons so many young people with intrigued by vi you cans campaign. I think its a good goal to have. People regardless of party believe the governments too big, needs to be more accountable to the american public. But youve to have more than a number. You have to have a plan. We did that and many other government at the state level. Look at innovation of technology, attrition and retirement. Probably the most powerful thing that can be done, and you have to have the legislative branch, in this case the congress involved, and that is taking power of the capitol and sending it back to the people. Hes talking about just slashing entire parts of the federal government. As you just laid out, thats not even a power that the president has. I think thats the key. I think people are interested, but one of the things ive heard not justin this issue, but a number of ideas hes pointed out is they like the concept, but they want to know, whats the plan . Particularly for someone whos not been in office before, they dont have something to point to to say, heres how i did it. A governor could say, heres what i did. Believe that going forward. In this case i think there are ways but youre right, you cant just come in and say, unlike the ceo of a company, ill going to eliminate this entire portion of the company. Youve got to have in many cases of congress, an Entrenched Congress with but i think its powerful and appropriate to point out whether youre a democrat or republican voter, not an elected official, but voters i think most people for years i talked about sending power to the states about whether its education, transportation, health care. I think most of us would rather see those dollars spent in our local communities as opposed to sending the dollars To Washington where we get pennies on the dollar back. When it comes to these ideas you have ramaswamy talking about Foreign Policy issues like the war in ukraine and china potentially invading taiwan and saying, im going to snap my fingers and its going to go away. Ill let russia keep parts of ukraine. Ill let china invade taiwan after a certain point. The simplicity is tempting, im sure, to Younger Voters you talk to, but youre a former elected republican. When you hear things like this, what goes through your mind . I think voters expect at the local state and i think at the federal level, we can walk and chew gum. I dont think theres hardly any americans that want to be in another war. Were very cautious of that. You see that on either end of the spectrum, whether its the republican or democrat side. I think many of us feel frustrated when we look at the dollars spent in europe and around the world, yet were not doing enough to secure the southern border, which many view as an outright invasion. I get all of that, its just i was just saying in those cases its not an either or proposition. I heard this on the debate stage in milwaukee where it was an either or proposition. I dont think it is. There can be things done to address domestic issues, whether its dealing with what happened in hawaii or elsewhere, and at the same time push back against the pressers like Vladimir Putin pushed gak against xi jinping. I think actually when it comes to china, when the ccps involved weve got to open our eye as americans. Thats the greatest threat we face in the near future and something that all of us regardless of party should be very concerned about, not just from a Military Standpoint where the navys being built up, the ports of entry theyre securing around the world, but intellectual property, barging in and invade social media. You sound like a Candidate Yourself in some ways, and the nuance that youre talking about old habits die hard. What youre describing there, you dont really hear that from some of these candidates. As someone who has also run for Candidate Yourself, the strategy from a ramaswamy and even from a donald trump when he was running in 2016, was basically to say, im going to throw out the thing that seems unlikely to happen, and thats how im going to stand out in the crowd. But at the end of the day, even trump came up against the reality of what he could and couldnt do. Are well, i would think he has taken on some of the same playbook as you just mentioned from me when i stood on the stand next to donald trump. I can see where things happening after that second debate. I joked, i get out before i got meticulously where the trend was going. In this case, part of it as it was eight years, ago one of the complaints i have had them as i do, now is with the debate process. I think the process is great for ratings, for the networks, news channels, it is not so great for the american voters. Instead of just fighting a minute or two at a time with three bottles anytime your name comes up, it could be nice to hear from each of the candidates whether it is five, ten, 15 minutes, about how they would actually deal with these complex issues. As we have can see, the last few president s debating is not a major responsibility of the president United States may meet a may beginning things down, and i dont always deal with everything known trump says, but as a conservative are like the vast majority of things he did as president. I think even if he didnt adjust a lot of the primary debates, he learned by putting a lot of people around him in the case to take on those policies and get those things done i would like to hear more of those are some candidates on the stage going forward. We will see if we hear more specifics from these candidates. Governor scott walker thank you for joining us. My pleasure. Up next, he is the secret Service Agent who is raising new questions about jfks assassination and that Lone Gunman Theory. Now is speaking out for the very First Television interview. I was afraid i was going to pass out. I was telling myself, i have to hang in there. Freestylyle libre 2. Try it for free at freestylelibre. 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Take the first step to see if your Small Business qualifies for the erc. 60 years after jfk was assassinated, the secret Service Agent who was just feet away is now breaking her silence. Paul landis has raised questions about the Warren Commissions Magic Bullet Theory, which says a single bullet not only killed jfk, but also ensured Texas Governor john connally. Here is how mr landis describe what happened that day to our own jake tapper. I heard a loud report that i recognize this coming from a high powered by full. I immediately turned, looked over my shoulder to the sound had come from, and i could not see anything, and i turned quickly. I looked at the president. And president kennedy was leaning a little bit to his left, towards mrs. Kennedy. I want to bring in cnns jake tapper. Hey, jake, so paul landis with that secret Service Agent who was in the car directly behind president kennedys limousine. What did he tell you in this interview that he saw that day . Well, on dealy plaza he said he heard three shots, and they came from behind him. And above. And i asked him, do you think there was a second gunman . He said he did not think there was. Although in a different interview with a New York Times peter baker, he allowed for the possibility maybe there was. But with me, he was more definitive he did not think there was. That is really interesting. I think that is one of the Big Questions that some historians who look at this raised, which was there really isnt a lot of Forensic Evidence to suggest there was a second gunman. He also in his book reveals this intact bullet in the limousine, and he moved it. Here is what he told you. I started to put it back, and i hesitated for a moment, i had looked around and the back area, i saw no secret Service Agents there to secure the car. And we were getting ready to exit the limo, and i did not want to leave the bullet they are because i was afraid people would start to converge towards the car, a Souvenir Hunter might see that, or want to have the press taking pictures, or do anything like that. And he says he also brought it with him to the hospital. I have to say, jake, that is a very interesting, perhaps a little odd sequence of events. What did you think . It was interesting. He said he put it in his pocket, carried it to the hospital, and left it on the Examination Table where jfk was being treated at the time. The Warren Commission says the bullet was ultimately found on governor colonies stretcher. So they assume that was a bullet. And that was the single bullet theory for the Magic Bullet Theory that the Warren Commission said wind through president kennedy is back out his throat, then hit governor connally in front of him. This has been used to discredited the Warren Commissions work, the idea that this one bullet, the idea of attributed to a prosecutor later a senator. That this bullet would do all of these things, and how crazy is that. This calls into question that single bullet theory, because obviously if that bullet was behind president kennedy, it would not have been the same bullet that would have hit governor connally. It doesnt necessarily change the idea of whether or not there was one gunman, but it does suggest if mr. Paul landis account is correct, and to be believed, it does suggest some shoddy nest by the Warren Commission. And for anybody who knows anything abouthe