Against syria, against russia and their allies iran. When one day there is a full accounting of the horrors committed in this the horror aleppo. One day it will come. We all know what is happening. And we all know you were involved. Aleppo will join the ranks of those events in World History that defined modern evil. That stain our conscience decades later. Are you truly incapable of shame . Is there literally nothing that can shame you . Is there no act of barbarism against civilians, no execution of a child that gets under your skin that just creeps you out a little bit . Here words were powerful but came in against the backdrop of the u. N. s top humanitarian official accusing countries including the United States wringing their hands of aleppo. And we begin with the voices of aleppo and cnns frederick. I dont know what to say. Words cant go out now. Just something to stop the expected massacres. The next day. All all the building collapsed. People are killed. And many people now are being killed and just kept in the streets in their buildings. Nobody can help them. Countless stories from within the rebelheld territory in aleppo syria. It is by all accounts an unmitigated humanitarian disaster. You may be thinking this is an old video but it is not. It is a new one and it is taking place right now on the day when there was supposed to be an agreement. Were here on the genocide of the city of aleppo. This may be my last video. More on 60,000 civilian whose rebelled gns the deck at a timer alassad are dying under bombing. With the help of her mother has been tweeting. Her most recent message a cry for help. Her mother following up with a message of her own. Today from a rooftop, sounds of conflict could still be heard. [speaking foreign language]. At least we know that we were free people. We wanted the freedom. We didnt want anything else. But freedom. And joining us now from beirut lebanon. The cease fire seems to be back on. What happens next and can it succeed . . That is the big question. About three hours from now buss are supposed to pull out to rebel enclave that still exists in aleppo and they are supposed to bring the first people out of there and bring them to safety to other rebelheld areas in syria. The first people to be evacuated are the most vulnerable. The sick. The ones who the question is who that going to happen is or is it going to fall apart . Its already fallen apart once before and you are dealing with a fragile situation where there are a lot of people on both sides who are very trigger happen happy. And specially on the rebel side there are a lot of people very scared to board buss and put their faith in those government soldiers and go through that territory to get to safety. But the next hours are absolutely decisive. There have already been reports of others coming into and executing civilians, correct is this. Reporter there have been. And the u. N. Says they have reports of about 82 civilians who have allegedly been executed. They say they got those reports from people who have given them information in the past that was true. They havent been able to independently verify that. There is a gave concern that as they move through that atrocities could be committed and that is why the u. N. And the ux s say it is on the Syrian Government but i specially also on the russians to make sure no other atrocities are committed as the Syrian Government will most probably take over all of aleppo very soon. This will soon will the trump administrations crisis. Here to talk about it our panel. David, obviously it is horror what is happening in syria right now in aleppo. For the donald trump administration, do we know how a President Trump is going to handle this . We really dont. Its been really vague and astonishing when you look at the piece there and the cry for help that this wasnt more central in a u. S. President ial campaign. But it wasnt. And his policy has been pretty vague. What we do know is this. He throughout the whole Campaign Said assad is someone elses problem. He wanted to focus on isis. Believed in creating safe zones but wanted other people to pay for them. And that one moment in the debate where he disagreed with pence, his own Vice President ial nominee had said with russian provocation we may have to use force and donald trump shut that down. He really sees this as other peoples problem. Not his. And we dont at all have a Clear Strategy going forward. And on Russian State Television today, said especially seems to think that donald trump is a more naturally ally to the syrian regime. If you look at the picks and the rhetoric over the campaign and try to form some idea of where he might head i think there is evidence that hes a guy who wants to be more friendly about russia. A more sanguine view. But also picked all these hard liners on iran. The trick for him and syria is they are working together. Can we drive that wedge by working with the russia closer. I have no idea if that is the strategy forhes thinking that farther. Victory for assad in is victory for iran so its contradictly. I do know he has a affection for strong men. He talked in the middle east and muber. Andal the sense that if you ever throw assad you dont know whats going to happen and terrorists can take over. But all thortons are not created equal. Mubarak is very different than assad. And his father slaughtered people before him. It is a very different situation. Yes. The other people thinking he could make potentially rethink the russia stuff is if if you look at condaleezza rise as one of the people and other mainstream think who are made the recommendation for the nomination. Who really are not on board with russia. Saying look, russia is really not trying to fight isis. They are trying to protect their interests in syria. One thing donald trump said is our current strategy of regime change is a proven failure. One thing when you are running for president. One thing when you are actually the president and the pictures are on the even news and people are talking about it and you hear the cries for help. And time and time again. And this becomes a cycle. What happens is we see the images. Horrific images. And now with technology. Images immediately in our homes. More than ever before. And then the American Public, i think rightly out of moral indignation begins to clamber for us to be involved. And then we get involved. And then it goes bad. And then people, the same people, the same public that was clambering for involvement then say why are we measuring around over there . Thats not our business. The somalia, humanitarian intervention, black hawk down. And you could look at george w. Bush as an example of the intervention gone wrong and barack obama and the red line and the failure to intervene. I think donald trump, it is time for a coherent strategy and maybe to talk to the American Public about the new world we live in where the media is really but it is interesting. President trump continues to say america first. Jobs, jobs, jobs. It is very easy to get sucked into foreign issues. I mean, every president often comes in saying look, im not interested you know, im focused on america, infrastructure, nationbuilding at home. But then world events over take president s time and again. This is where it matters. There is clamber. But there is not appetite for actually getting involved. Or for any endurance. Right. When we actually get involved and something is going wrong. The word has been watching for years and there hasnt been a larger Political Landscape i think might be more forgiving for donald trump even though there is this huge moral problem. But many people agree. And he was clear throughout the campaign that this getting drawn into this kind of event it did not interest him at all. I thought he made that sort of a rallying cry. And i think his supporters give him that breathing space on this. The quote i read was not on syria in particular from donald trump. It was on nationbuilding as an idea. I think i said it was about syria. I was talking just in more general. But yet at certain point to policy, i mean this is a policy which has not been made clear by president obama which has really bedevilled him and he didnt interview with fareed saying he had essentially missed a lot of this and it haunts him to this day. Does President Trump have to say we arent getting involved or just get it percolate is this. I think hes going to be surrounded by people who want him to do something. He met with Tulsi Gabbard from hawaii on this as well. And i think, you know, that its possible that he will get pressure from a mike pence or others to do something. Ands the also different when it is on your watch. When it is on your campaign or when you are watching a genocide unfold and not doing anything. And the continuing role Donald Trumps sons are taking in government business even though they are supposed to be the ones running the president elects Business Empire in instead. We got a prime example of that tonight. When will that happen . Well talk about it next . And also the dnc hacking story . All of it. Beat by beat. Ow Hillary ClintonsCampaign Manager unknowingly ended up giving russian cyber thieves the key to the kingdom. A fascinating inside look afoot and lighthearted i take to the open road. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. vo its the holidays at verizon, and the best deals are on the best network. 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And cnns sara murray joins us with the latest. A major meeting with tech executives. Jim cook from apple. And amazon and google and elsewhere. And explain whats going on . There was an important meeting for donald trump to send the signal that he was willing to take the opinions of people hes criticized in the past and who have been critical of him. No secret Donald Trumps relationship with Silicon Valley i was stellar. But im told it was a positive meeting. A opportunity for the tech executives to make a case for priorities they are interested in. For highskilled visas and more spending on a digital infrastructure. And donald trump made it clear and we saw this, that he wants to try to help them when he is president. So well see if this sort of love fest continues beyond the confines. But it is interesting as you point out that, it wasnt just donald trump but his senior advisors and his tech executives in the meeting. It was his grown children all present for what could be a very important meeting for trump. You know, the two grown men. Donald trumps son, eric and don jr. They are supposed to be actually running his company when hes president. But right now it would seem they are deeply involved in the transition. And there is new information also tonight about what role ivanka trump is going to have in her fathers administration. Right. There are lots of questions about whether there will ever be a clear bright line between how the kids interact with the business and how they interact with the trump white house. For instance, while were expecting eric and donald jr. To take over the day to day operations, not only were they in this meeting but don jr. Helped interview candidates for interior secretary. And other examples. And it does look like perhaps ivanka trump will have the clearest divide. She is likely to move over to washington and have a more formalized role within the white house. Were being told with what used to be the first ladys office will become the first fam office. This will be an opportunity for ivanka trump to have an opportunity in the east wing and act as hostess and also advise her father on policies we may think she could bring a more liberal view to. So all of this up in the air until we see donald trump announce how he plans to divvy up his business. That was supposed to happen tomorrow but now were waiting until january. And there are plenty of ethics experts and lawyers who are waiting to see that. Sara murray, thanks very much. Digging deeper into the question how the Incoming Group plans. Reporter congressman ryan zinke hit it off with don trump jr. Both are avid hunters. And trumps oldest son sat in on meets and called perspective nominees. So much criticalition say for that clean break between the administration can and the children. Back in july don jr. Even joked he might be the head of interior. I dont know if i might be the head of but rest assured. Reporter zinke notes he may have worked in favor with him. Don jr. Is a member of the missoula, montana based boone and crockett club. A hunting and Wildlife Conservation organization. The clubs mission, promote the conservation of big game and its habitat. Don jr. s love of hunting also helped build relationships with the other western lawmakers. Hes joined them on hunting trips and has conveyed to the oldest son that a westerner for interior would be best to protect the land and their way of life. Don jr. Calls himself a big conservationist saying hunters give back paying fees that go towards conservation efforts. We try to pay steward to that. That its there more our kids and your kids and beyond. Reporter but his love of big game hunting has also stirred controversy. Those photos in 2013 showed them proudly posing in a 2012 zimbabwe hunt. A leopard and a water buffalo. In another photo, the tail of an elephant. In this photo a massive crocodile hangs from a tree. But he responds on twitter saying villages were grateful for the meat. One of these things some people will understand and some people wont. Back on panel now. So a lot of to discuss. First of all, david. Just, have we ever seen the grown children of a president elect sitting in on meetings like this who are also going to be running a corporation, a family business, who are also involved in the picking of cabinet secretary . No. With all of those no. Absolutely not. That is unprecedented. And let me rust jay anderson. I dont bebruj that donald trump wants to incorporate his family. They are his top advisors. Entire brand. The family is the brand. The name is the organization. He groupomed them to run. The fact that there is no difference right now. Then they clearly should not be part of building and forming the government. That to me the clear there is no problem in taking counsel from your family. The problem is they havent set up and set forth what are the guidelines to make sure that the conflicts of interest stay away. Do you agree . I wish they would be clear and faster. But i do think this is a bit of a new creature and were going to see how it plays out here. But, you know, if ivanka is the Government Trump kid and the other two are the business trump kid, i dont have that much problem with that and it is going to a case by case basis. But i think it is best practice to make it clear and how. Im not sure were going to get that. Does it make sense to you kirsten, that there are sitting around with the tech executives today . No. The example i keep using is lets just make this Chelsea Clinton and then going back to running the foundation. The clinton foundation. I think the republicans would see the problem with that. If Chelsea Clinton in a protect. And exactly. Meeting with people with the same kind of meetings and officially going and working on the meetings and then going back and running the foundation and they would be correct in criticizing that. I think that would be highly problematic. I do think the ivanka being the de facto first lady maybe, i i dont have a problem with that. And look, there is nothing wrong with that. If melania doesnt want to be the first lady and ivanka wants to step in. I dont understand the objection to it, honestly. I think what he should do is lick date assets and put it in a blind trust. Quidate assets and a blind trust. This is the most obvious way you take him down. And maybe it is two or three years down the read when hes not as popular but if you wanted impeachment or some sort of you know, the conflict of interest. This is just wait to be a scandal. Jeffrey . I agree it could be a scandal. And the press conference they canceled the other day. They need to be exactly right when they come forward. It is a complex thing to figure out. Very. And in terms of the family. I went back and looked. Every president , not every, but a lot of president s from john adams and all the way up to bill and Hillary Clinton, president ial Family Member, sons, nephews, this has been going on for a very, very long time and i dont think there is anything unusual about it. Any president who has children who has adults who are this accomplished should listen to them. Good for president elect trump. Ive seen them on tv, they are very impressive people. The problem is the business side. And hes exactly right. There is a very clear ethical imperative. He has to sell everything. Liquidate the assets and put them in treasury bills where they can be no separation. It is impossible conflicts. The easiest and most obvious is this hotel. Just fikd up the hotel hear in washington. A 60 year lease with the federal government, which he now runs in a few weeks. The lease itself says no elected official of the government of the United States can be party of this lease. So he has to get out of that deal. Will he . I dont know. Heres the problem. Whos going to enforce it . The head of the administration whos supposed to enforce that lease is going to be appointed by donald trump. The conflicts are e numerable and they will tie him in knots. Do you agree . I do. I think the other thing we continue to talk past the other issue may be they are actually sit continuing to sit on meetings. If they continue to sit on meetings after hes sworn in thats also a problem. There is a reason for those. It says any public official applies to the president of the United States, if any of them are paid or performing work in which they should be paid by the federal government this is a huge problem. It is not just a conflict of interest. It is not just optics. Kayleigh . If he said i was given a role any role i would not be paid. In the ninety, Hillary Clinton took a role in the white house. There was litigation over it. The court said nepotism laws do not apply to certain white house staffing positions. But the first lady no no. He was son the house task force. She was a policy person. As first lady. And the Circuit Court said no this does not apply to certain white house positions. Look paul i think you are right at the lease. I absolutely think so. But 18 ust section 2 o 2 says the president is kpemplt from conflict of interest laws. Donald trump is exactly correct when he says i dont have to give up my business if i dont want to. Hes doing that because he wants to optically be in position to be ethically sound. The magna carta. Also there is the other clouz clause. Foreign powers influencing our president. The clause is a specific point you cant receive gifts from [chatter]. Lets trach a break. Kayleigh raised a point about the first soninlaw Jared Kushner. A new information on that next. 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Jared kushner is one of the closest and most important advisors to the president elect. Hell have a role in the white house. What this does raise though is something weve all been talking about for the last couple of weeks and something ive heard from trump advisors, more concerns about conflicts of interest. This is an area they fear could plague the first couple months of the organization. Maybe even longer. That said, legal team is working and they feel they are getting closer to a resolution. Thanks very much for the breaking news. Back to the panel. To the point that others made, it is the first question that may be raised, you know, once donald trump is president about any selection that was made or policy that is made is people are going to start to look at well wait a minute, how does this influence trump business . This is not going to go away . The thing they need to be careful of is the distraction aspect of it. Hes got a lot of things he wants to accomplish. So they need to resolve this in some fashion. As for Jared Kushner, i think he would be absolutely perfect. He would be my selection as deputy chief of staff to the white house. This is the person who plays the mike diva role of the reagan troika. The cardhief of staff and the or figures who can translate the president in terms of knowing him as the Family Member or almost a Family Member to the white house staff. Even things like the hotel that donald trump has now opened here in washington. Its run by it is a lease. They are leasing it. The interior department actually own oversees the land. Dealt with National Parkland and therefore the National ParkService Falls with the department of interior. So don jr. Is running that hotel. Hes had a hand in who the interior secretary is and his department is running oversees the land the hotel is on. Im willing to listen how they want to structure it and i wish they would say it quickly and be clear about it. And whats going to be interesting too is you have these two ceos who have been named as possible cabinet members and they are going to do the best practices stuff. Like Carlos Gutierrez when he went from kelloggs to the bush administration, immediately tenured his resignation to the board the day he was named. So these guys are going to go through a process and the contrast is going to be interesting. Might lead you do think trump is going to do something different. But pence released his taxes and trump different. So he may be very different. He said he would coeverything right. All assets in a blind trust. And not take out a government paycheck. Hes doing everything right. Donald trump likewise. Every indication so far. Weve got to give him time. Only thirty days. Ivanka trump. But ivanka trump has her own business. And i dont know the answer to this. I dont know if they know the answer to this yet. Does she now stop those businesses or does she continue to sell a dress that shes wearing in her White House Office in her role as first lady. Oh that dress is available on line in her website snm i dont know. And the thing that bothers me about this. Because they are in the private sector in a business this is becoming a big deal. But how many lawyers do we have in congress and how many lawyers have we had in the Obama Administration that still have law firms back home with their name on there . Name one. Name a lawyer you know had their name still on their law practice while im looked it up for you. I think the one thing we have to really be careful of. Especially my friend kayleigh who went to law school and know this is. It is not just violation of the letter of the law. It is violation of the spirit of the law for varied kushner to serve in any capacity in the white house [ inaudible ]. Thats totally different. The it is first lady. [chatter]. It specifically says no business interests. One at a time. One at a time. My point is simple. If he is in the white house, working for white house. And he is his soninlaw, which he is, unless he divorces ivanka. It runs afoul of the antinepotism law. We doubt that congress intended to include the white house or the executive office of the president in the antinepotism law. Lets not go too far into the weeds on this one particular law. Its important. I too have had but i recovery. And you use ads phrase blind trust. Which we throw around a lot. A trust is only blind if the beneficiary has no idea of its contents. If you say mr. Kushner or president elect trump is required by ethics, by honesty to have the blind trust that means may must liquidate. He would. And that is the standard im looking for. Half a billion in stake at in goldman sachs. There was some liberals have complained about that. I think its great. So they will get huge tax breaks. Giant beautiful extraordinary gorgeous tax breaks. The classiest in the world but they got unfair of you to Ask Donald Trump to do that. Because he would be depriving his children of their livelihood. Children are just fine in the private sector for running for office. Chairman spice overt the rnc basically said as long as the trump team is transparent it is okay. When conflict, arise. Only when people are sneaky. When they dont release their tax returns for example. Isnt the analogy, Bobby Kennedy. Bobby kennedy is the reason the nepotism law exists. Hold on. That is the reason. It it is to prevent you from hiring Family Members. It is really not the same as the first lady. How is Jared Kushner different from Bobby Kennedy . The court dealt with that very question. You couldnt appoint someone as a. G. Thats why we created the law in the first place. You can however appoint people to be in the white house. And they are not subject to the law. This is really fascinating detail. 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An fbi agent call the dnc to let them know that you are Computer System was compromised. Linked to hackers. A contractor thought it might be a prank call. He wasnt actually sure it was an fbi agent talking to him on the phone. That was it. The beginning of what became an unprecedented saga of espionage. One still unfolding to this day. The New York Times has expressed on the front page today explaining how that phone call in september 2015 was the first opportunity to temperature the intrusion. One that allowed hackers to roam around the network for almost seven months but it was the first in a series of missteps. From John Podestas personal email being hacked. Because of a phishing scam and a typo. A remarkable read for the first time key players targeted and hacked agreed to tell their stories. Joining me now is eric lipton. I read this. It boggles the mind. The fact that first of all and i still cant believe this. An fbi agent calls up the dnc. Basically gets forwarded to tech support. Not even an employee. But a contractor. And the contractor is talking to this fbi agent but isnt convinced the person is an actual fbi agent. It is extraordinary. And you realize individual decisions have real consequences and mistakes have consequences and things history can change because of one thing or another. And he doesnt believe it is an fbi agent. The fbi agent calls back, back, back. Leaves voice mail messages. And the guy doesnt call back because he said there was nothing new to tell the guy about. And dnc didnt have sophisticated Monitoring Software to look for intrusions. And the guy did some checking and he didnt see anything. And because he didnt see anything he didnt return the calls. And this went on for months. And this didnt go up the chain at the dnc. No. I dont understand why the fbi. As you point out the dnc is close to the fbi. Why didnt the fbi show up at the dnc . Hard to explain. The only explanation is that the fbi gets lots of these reports of potential intrusions and it is charged with notifying businesses and other individuals. And makes the call and tells people to if they dont respond that is the end of it. In this case they should have known. The president ial elections previously were both cyberattacked. This they should have done. And they questioned why didnt the fbi escalate is this. And john podesta gets a phishing email telling him to change his security password allegedly from google. It wasnt real. And somebody on the team sent it to the i. T. Guy and they knew it was a unreal thing. It was not a real email. But he sends back a note saying it is legitimate. But he made a mistake. So they change the password and that is how incredible. The consequences of a small error. And the decades worth of the John Podestas emails. The Hillary Clinton speeches. All kind of snod remarks that then became public, criticizing her in public and undermined two months of stories of her message. And this was all devised by the russians to try to influence not necessarily the outcome of the election but at least to disrupt the election process. To undermine the confidence in american democracy. And seems like two different groups of russians most likely government actors or ultimately government actors who may not even have known the other group was because some of the emails and stuff they were getting were duplicates. Right. The company hired ultimately to examine this. Crowd strike. Concluded they most likely were not aware they were both in the system at the same time. Because they were actually both going back and collecting files, both players. Two were active in the computers. On the one hand you could say this was a very hightech sort of espionage effort but a lot lid rely on human error and mistakes. Generally a phishing extradition. I think if they persistently tried, that they most likely would have gotten in. If you compare it for example. Hillary clinton, for example, hired a private Cyber Security firm to protect her the emails of the Clinton Campaign and there is no evidence so far they did successly hack to her campaign. John podestas i mail account. If there is a sickle thing. Is always have two step verification on the email. He also kept 60,000 emails. Emails going back ten yearsing something. He had never deleted them. And one guy who made the mistake and telling this is legitimate said to me which was not not the story is the fact they were not repeat lid telling podesta to get off the email. It was a Security Threat and how could he not have learned he should get ouch offer of his email. He continued to do it. And at one point he had written a paper on Cyber Security. Cyber issues. Its fascinating. New york times website. Appreciate what you have done. Incredible read. Thank you so much. Just ahead, gone but not forgotten. Were going to remember the 20 sixth graders and four years ago today a gunman opened fire inside Sandy Hook Elementary School killing 20 first graders and six adults. For their families, december 14th, 2012, is the day their world shattered. In the days that followed, we saw extraordinary courage and bravery where it would seem impossible. I talked to lynn and Chris Mcdonald four days after their daughter grace, just 7 years old, died. She was a talented artist who left behind a brother jack. They wanted to share some of their memories of grace. What do you want people to know about grace . Well, grace had such a great spirit. She was a kind and gentle soul, and she was just the light and love of our family. She was just truly a special, special little girl that we loved. And she loved her brother so much. And she loved her school, sandy hook. In fact, this week i was telling somebody, she had a stomachache one day. I said to her, why dont you stay home with mom. She said, no way, i have too much fun there, and i dont want to miss anything. She would skip to get on the bus. It wasnt even a you know, every morning it was the backpack was packed the night before and ready to get on the bus in the morning and head off to school. Wed blow kisses every morning to each other. I remember that morning, putting her on the bus. She had a habit of blowing kisses, but then she would give me a liver lip like, mmmm. I knew she was so happy to go off and get there. I would like to say that she was at a place that she loved, and so we take comfort in that, that we know she was in a place that she really loved. And with friends. And with friends. People that loved her. Thats, i think, the whole community, the school, the teachers. Theyre all raising your child. And its its a special place. It is. And i take comfort that she was with all her friends. I just envision all of them holding hands. And theyre all together up there. Reporter i was talking to you before we began. One of the things you were saying is you dont want hate or anger in your heart. No. I said that to jack, that its okay to be angry because, sure, we have anger and were upset, and we dont know why. But i told jack that he could never live with hate. Grace didnt have an ounce of hate in her. So we have to live through grace and realize that hate is not not how our family is and not certainly not how grace is. Reporter its a hard thing, though, isnt it, to not feel that . Were going to go on, and were going to use her positive energy to help guide us forward. One of gracies favorite things to paint or draw was a peace sign. The morning after i was in the bathroom, and i used to dry her hair next to the window, and the window would fog up and she would write notes in the window to me. On saturday morning i was standing at that window in the bathroom, and it had fogged up, and i looked and there was her peace sign in the window. I was like, thats a sign from my grace. And the paint above it said grace mom and she drew a heart. So she was all about peace and gentleness and kindness. Those are very early days in the grieving process. The past four years have frankly been unimaginable for the families, the pain never goes away. On top of that, the sandy hook families have become targets of hoaxsters who claim the shootings never happened. Last week a woman in florida was charged with making Death Threats against the father of derek posner. I talked to lynn posner about it. As far as sandy hook, weve been calling them hoaxsters since pretty much the beginning, because they first of all, they dont think anything bad ever happens. They dont think anyone ever gets hurt. They think that, whenever they see something on the web or on television, that is a crime or a mass casualty event, it has to be a hoax. Then, if debunking evidence comes out that shows that they made mistakes, um, like researchers, normal researchers, they wont correct their mistakes, and oftentimes they start to fabricate their evidence or fudge their evidence or photo shop their evidence. So really theyre contributing to the hoax by falsifying the information that they are propagating. So their hoaxsters by calling everything a hoax, and then everything that they do after the fact is sort of distributing false information to people. Lynns son noah and grace mcconnell and the 18 other children killed at sandy hook would be fifth graders today. The six adults who died would have touched the lives of dozens more children by now. 26 futures were stolen four years ago today. But the lives they lived will not be forgotten. We will remember them. Charlotte bacon. 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