Reporter an arizona outdoor gun range, end of summer. Family time together. We have to keep that held in. Reporter a 9yearold girl learning how to shoot an automatic uzi by an instructor. All right. Go ahead and give me one shot. All right all right. Full on. Reporter those fateful last words, all right, full auto. He just put the gun on fully auto, and he tells her that his left hand is holding the bottom of the magazine where it should be on somewhere closer to the top of the weapon. She looks very uncomfortable holding the weapon. And when she pulls the trigger, he loses the grip on the bottom of the magazine and gets muzzle rise and winds up getting shot. Reporter the Sheriffs Department says the recoil from the powerful weapon sends the gun out of her control, over her head. 39yearold instructor charles vacca, a member of californias National Guard died later at the hospital. She probably hit the full auto, wasnt expecting the recoil that she got, and was completely surprised by it. Reporter what its like when the shots come out . Describe it. Its going to be like a buzz saw going off in your hands. Reporter bullets and burgers advertises on the highway. Stop in, fire a machine gun, and enjoy a meal. And their rules fitting within arizona law allow children 8 years old and up to shoot the guns. I would want to see a little bit more experience from the girl and see that the girl was little more comfortable handling single shot weapons before giving her a fully automatic weapon. Reporter the Mohave County Sheriffs Office has determined there will be no charges. But other states have decided these accidents could be crimes. In 2008 in massachusetts, a 9yearold boy accidentally shoots himself at a gun show while also firing an uzi. His father records it all on video. But it is the show organizer Edward Fleury charged with involuntary manslaughter. You the jury find the defendant not guilty. Reporter flour which was acquitted. But as a result, the victims home state of connecticut now makes it illegal to give or sell machine guns to anyone under 16. And just last year in new jersey, anthony senate ori shot his neighbors son to death. Now he has been charged with six counts of child endangerment. He rejected a plea deal which included prison time. Oh, it was beautiful. I can hardly wait to try it out. Reporter children and bb guns were once the stuff of christmas tradition. I always had a bb gun as a kid. Reporter but an uzi . Uzi was designed by Israeli Military industries for the idf, Israeli Defense forces. Reporter a gun made for the battlefield in the hands of a child, with deadly consequences. Jean casarez, cnn, new york. Goodness. Now i want to bring in kyle copeland, the founder of the armed citizens project, which says its mission is facilitating the arming of lawabiding citizens. Kyle, should a 9yearold child ever be shooting an uzi . Well, it depends. First of all, if youre talking about a fully automatic uzi like this one was, id say with this 9yearold girl with the amount of training, you know, there was no need for her to be behind that, and there was definitely things that could have been done on all sides to prevent it. With but, you know, it really depends about, you know, kids shooting these firearms. It depends on the instructors and the amount of training they have leading up to it. We saw a situation, a real tragic event unfold when the trainer and the little girl, you know, it just didnt match. So you think there is a situation . You think there are certain circumstances or situations where its okay for a 9yearold to be shooting an uzi . To be shooting an uzi . Well, first of all, were talking a 9yearold girl. The uzi was probably about the worst choice and firearm that she could have been using. The short barrel on it, i personally wouldnt i wouldnt condone taking any 9yearold out and teaching them submachine gun firing, especially when theyre that low proficiency anyway. You said 9yearold girl. Would it matter if it was a boy . Just a 9yearold in general . No, im speaking to the situation. It was a 9yearold girl in the situation. A boy would be the same. Okay. So i want you to explain to whats this weapon is like, and what kind of training you would need to be able to shoot it and to shoot it proficiently, as you say. Sure. Well, here in houston, our training partners with the armed citizen product, were a charity that trains and arms single women, single mothers in high crime neighborhoods with free pump action shotguns. Our first concern is getting folks used to guns theyre actually going to be defending their homes with. What we need to realize with the uzis and the automatic weapons, these arent weapons available to the public. Ive personally never shot a fully automatic firearm. I know a lot of people involved in guns that havent as well. We just need to remember, these are firearms. Like the uzi, are not available to the average citizen. And so there are ranges like here in houston, Boyer Shooting Center does use fully auto weapons. But you have to be with one of their instructors on the range. They go through a training with you. Theyre very hands on. Theyre behind you, making sure that no accidents happen. I think that, you know, when it comes to a parent taking their kid out to shoot a machine gun, youve got your whole life to learn how to shoot a machine gun. You know, its kind of pushing these 9yearolds out there, especially with an uzi, a small compact frame, hard to control. I think there could have been some better Due Diligence on both sides. But you are going to see this tape get worn out most by folks in the Firearm Community and folks at these ranges that are going to use this moving forward. Youre going see a lot of reforms i think within the shooting community as far as ranges that currently have it opened up to youth. How young how young is too young really for children to be handling guns . Would it be okay for a 5yearold to be shoot organize a 6yearold . How young is too young . Sure. Were talking firearms in general. Its really up to the parents discretion. I know people that started at the age of 4 or 5 with the red rider bb gun and moved up from there. Steven savidge makes a bold action, it has a lot of safety mechanisms in it 22 that is specifically made for small children. So one of the things that is big with firearm advocates and people that own firearms, you kill the curiosity in the child before the curiosity kills the child. You let the child know the importance of Firearm Safety and how powerful the gun really is. Thats why with our charity when we train women in high crime neighborhoods, we want them to bring out their family. We want them all to go through the safety training. Well want them all to know the rules of Firearm Safety and also get some range time if theyre willing to and we feel theyre mature enough. You just said in your previous answer that you think that this video will be used to make changes when it comes to rules. I dont know if you mean gun laws. But as you know, its tough to have any changes when it comes to gun rules or gun laws in this country. Why do you think thats going to make a difference . Well, first, im a policy guy. And i see this as not something that is really going to have any change go about through laws. I mean, short of completely removing illegal enterprise in this country, there is not really that is going to be much that is done. It is a state by state issue. Different states have different rules on that. What youre going to see is ranges that have some of these ranges thought the west and arizona and outside of vegas are going to start to tighten what they do. So some of these ranges that now have you can be 8 and up. Im sure youre going to see that change. Im sure youre going see instructors that teach the fully auto. Theyre now going to have it drilled into them 100 be behind the person, ready to stop the barrel as it comes up. And, you know, the these people are going to be its all going to come out in civil litigation. There is going to be punishments from that. And the industry is really going to take know. Kyle coplen, thank you very much. Of my next guest sees this issue differently. Shannon watts is the founder of the moms demand action which mobilizes moms and families to advocate for stronger gun laws. You heard my interview with kyle coplen. What do you think about what he said . I think its outrageous that we would put the onus for gun safety on children as opposed to adults. Study after study shows that curiosity in children is innate. And when theyre left alone. He did say its up to the parent. To figure out if they think that their child is old enough or has the capability of shooting a gun. He did say that. He did. But he said get the curiosity out of the child before it kills him. And what we say is that the onus for safety should only be on adults. So that means we need to safely store firearms. Unloaded, locked, away from children. In this country, we have a real problem with unintentional deaths of children. 2 million children live in homes with unsecured firearms. Two are killed unintentionally every single week. 2 3 of those accidents could be prevented. And thats what were focused on. Do you think that children should ever fire a semiautomatic weapon . Well, this is an automatic weapon. And no, i absolutely dont. A 9yearold has no business firing an uzi. These are not toys. They are not accessories. And shame on adults who think thats a good idea. Its pretty outrageous. Are guns a problem, or do you think its a combination or is it irresponsible owners or parents . Well, you know, as the nra says, guns dont kill people, people kill people. And in this case, there was some bad judgment. And we need to focus on addressing and preventing the next tragedy. And we can do that by starting a national dialogue, a conversation about how do we keep children safe from unintentional shootings. It is the adults responsibility to do that. Well would welcome the nra to join that conversation with us and to talk about how do we truly keep children safe from guns in this country . We are not doing a good job of it when you compare our country to developed nations. And its time for us to start a national conversation. Do you really think the nra will engage you in that conversation . Well, they should. Their members, 74 of nra members support things like background checks. 90 of americans do. They need to come to the middle and stop moving so far in the extremists arena, and really start to have a dialogue and a conversation with the rest of america. Almost nothing in this country really is as polarizing when you deal with when youre talking about gun rights. Are there any common sense rules you think that everyone can start to agree upon . It sort of goes off the last question i asked you about the nra. Do you really think theyll engage you . Do you think there are any common sense rules . One would hope first of all that children should not shoot uzis. I think that is a common sense start. Also, this idea about how do we safely store firearms . You know, only a handful of states in this country hold adults responsible for negligence and keeping their firearms safely away from children. That needs to change. We need to hold adults accountable, and really start this conversation of what is safe storage, and how do we do that . How do we prevent these two children from being shot and killed unintentionally in this country every single week . And thats what i hope that will come out of this horrible tragedy. 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Well, it certainly is affecting their freedom of maneuver and their freedom of movement. It wont stop them completely. But it will certainly blunt them. And i think thats part of the requirement right now to give their opposition, the peshmerga, the iraqi army an opportunity to fight back. Bob, the consensus is that bombing wont make them go away. So what does the u. S. Do to isolate and destroy isis short of ground operations . We need the entire region part of this. What the United States doesnt want to be is find itself in a position where we are bombing the capital of isis and killing them, and it makes them look like an american war. We need the saudis and the emirates. I totally agree the bomb willing blunt them, but its not going to stop them. What we cant afford to do is get into a fullfledged war in syria and iraq. It could be a disaster. James, isis has taken a lot of ground and very quickly, and theyre set to be smart fighters. Can they hold the territory . Absolutely not. Its isis consists of about 8,000 to 10,000 fighters. They have a territory that is approximately the size of belgium. Theyre built on a very Shaky Coalition that consists of former Saddam Hussein military people, tribal leaders and religious zealots that are despised wherever they rule. Its very unlikely theyre going to be able to hold on for much longer. They have not met with significant resistance, which is why theyve been so successful so quickly. Senator rand paul has an oped in the wall street journal that just came out. And he is criticizing the administrations foreign policy. And here is what he said. Our middle eastern policy is unhinged, flailing, about to see who to act against next with little thought to the consequences. This is not a foreign policy. He right . General . Well, i think mr. Paul really doesnt quite understand the implications and the complexities in that part of the world. You move in one direction one day, youre going to have to move in a different direction the other. The number of tribes, the number of religions, the number of sheiks, the number of politics, its very difficult to get a coherent strategy against the entire middle east. I think our Current Administration is doing the best job possible. And i think the action, and ill echo what bob said, when youre culturally and linguistically different than the states that youre operating in which america is when we go into that area you need a whole lot of help from other people. Not only other westerners from europe, but the gulf cooperation conferences. As i said before, you need some moderate islamic imams to start coming into the picture on this and demanding that this organization stop bastardizing the islamic religion. Bob, you care to comment on rand pauls oped . He is wrong. Look, our military wins wars. Theyre not peacekeepers. We cant go in and separate the shia and the sunni. This is really what its all about, a sectarian war. The president didnt create this mess. The Previous Administration did. And putting a lid back on this, im not sure how to do it. I spent my adult life in the middle east, and ive never seen it in a bigger mess. And i see no obvious solutions. And you have to play it day by day there is no strategy to be had, an easy one. You know, james, i heard someone say earlier that isis possibly the most successful terrorist organization in history. They have taken a lot of territory. Theyre growing. They have weaponry, and they also have a lot of money. Where does that money come from . Well, the money comes from a variety of sources. Much of it is generated internally. I mean, the reason why they have taken the territory that they have is that its sparsely populated on the one hand. But on the other hand, this is the oil territory of syria. They get their money through hijacks. They get their money through socalled taxation, which is really a protection racket. Theyre not lacking for funds. Do you expect to see air strikes in syria . First to you, james. Thats a difficult question. I think that probably will happen. But as yogi berra once said, predictions are difficult, particularly about the future. Bob . I think were going to be forced to. I think that isis may have some staying power. There is so much money coming in from the gulf, and there is such a mess with this government in baghdad, which the sunnis have told me they will not accept it. Its the same as maliki. They wont come back until this sorts out. You see a lot of sunni support for these guys. And yet theyre going to be killing people. A lot of people, massacring people. I dont see how we can sit by the sidelines and watch it. We have to go over after the capital. General . I disagree a little bit. A lot of the sunni friends that i have still in Northern Iraq are telling me that there is already starting to be a movement against isis in that area. Theyre already starting to see a more a bigger resolve on the part of a government that is becoming less and less sectarian. And i think youre going to see the moderate sunnis in that area start to come back to the government. Just like the al qaeda operations there, there is going to be another awakening. Theyre going to say we cant put up this w this kind of religious extremism. So back to your original questions, will there be air strikes . I think this is going to be a lot of aerial reconnaissance in the next few days and possibly weeks there may be strikes in the area. But its not going to be directly against forces in syria that would support any kind of operations, at least in the shortterm. It may happen eventually, but not any time soon. Gentlemen, thank you. Texas governor rick perry facing a felony indictment. 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Cnns Senior Investigative correspondent drew griffin has that story. Reporter the mug shot so far tell it all. One, a dishevelled drunken texas prosecutor, the other a smiling texas governor. Two characters in a bitter political feud that reached a boiling point one april night last year. The drunk woman was swerving in and out of bike lanes. Im with Travis County Sheriffs Department. Reporter police pulled her over. Have you been drinking tonight . I had a couple drinks. Reporter took one whiff, and realized it was time to do a field sobriety test. From this position. I cant do it. Im trying to demonstrate. Reporter what they also soon realized. Youre kidding me . Reporter was the suspected drunk was none other than the Travis County District Attorney, a very belligerent rosemary lindbergh. 1,003. He is trying to keep you from tripping over. You dont need to slap his hands away. The countys top prosecutor was really drunk, failed to walk the line. But i have a bad back, and it hurts, and im fine. Youre falling backwards. We dont want you the fall over. Im not going to fall. Reporter had a blood alcohol level almost three times the legal limit, and verbally assaulted, even threatened the arresting officers. Stop. You stop. Think im going to hurt you . Reporter jailers strapped her down in a chair and put a spit hood on her. Take this stupid thing off my head. Reporter former Travis County assistant District Attorney rick reed, along with many others saw this video. Give me my phone reporter and demanded his former boss step down. No. Im not drunk. Yall have just ruin mid career. She attempted to bully these sheriffs deputies into either releasing her or calling the sheriff himself so that she could avoid these charges. An abuse of power . Unquestionable. Reporter governor rick perry insisted limburg step down too. It was so embarrassing. But rosemary limburg, a powerful Texas Democrat is still in office. Im going enter this courthouse with my head held hawaii eye. Reporter and in a twist of political fate, it is now republican governor rick perry who has just been indicted related to the limburg case. Mike mccrumb was the special prosecutor. Count one of the indictment charges him with abuse of official capacity, a firstdegree felony, and count two of the indictment charges him with coercion of a public servant, a thirddegree felony. Reporter here show it happened. Limburg is perhaps the most powerful democrat in the state of texas, and a longtime thorn in the side of texas republicans. Her District Attorneys office runs the States Office of Public Integrity, which ironically investigates wrongdoing. Turn your whole body. By state officials. When she got drunk, perry saw his chance to get rid of her, threatening to veto funds for the office of Public Integrity unless lehmberg stepped down. Filed a complaint alleging that governors threat is illegal. Your complaint is basically based on that he threatened to coherself her to leave. Thats exactly right. Our complaint was about the threat. It wasnt about the veto. The honorable rick perry, governor of the state of texas. Reporter because thats because under the law the governor of take has the right to veto anything he wants. But the governor does not have the right to use the threat of a veto to get anything he wants. But let me understand this from a laymans perfect. We got this drunk lady who is is the head of a Public Integrity prosecution unit who is doing her own threats. And the governor wants to get rid of her, and she wont leave. He says im going to exercise my Constitutional Authority to veto this legislation unless you step down or resign. What is wrong with that . He has Constitutional Authority to veto anything. But he doesnt have the authority to threaten a person who doesnt work under his control. Reporter in most criminal cases you say well, lets see how the jury decides. In this case, everyones first question is forget the jury. Is this a crime at all . Reporter cnns analyst jeff toobin and many others question the indictment. The governor has the power to veto this money. So the question is how can it be a crime to threaten to use a power that is entirely within the powers of your office . I refer to Travis County as the blueberry in the tomato soup. If you know what i mean. Reporter perrys colorful explanation of what happened is all about politics. Travis county an its county seat, the selfproclaimed weird city of austin, is all blue in the middle of a very red state. And the grand jury pool here reflects a democratic slant. A cnn analysis found some grand jury members openly democratic and openly liberal. Others are cautious about political affiliation. None of them we found you would consider to be strongly republican. Grand jurors we talked to say the indictment was not political, and the special prosecutor laid out a convincing case. One did admit the vote was not unanimous. Perrys defense lawyer says the indictment is nothing more than Banana Republic politics and has asked a judge to dismiss the case. Legal experts say unless there is evidence of an actual crime, that indictment will likely be thrown out into the hot texas wind. Drew griffin, cnn, austin. Well, tomorrow were going to talk live with wisconsin Governor Scott walker, who beat back a recall attempt two years ago. But now he is facing struggles in his reelection campaign. He is going to be with me here tomorrow night on this program. Also, senator Kirsten Gillibrand who admits to struggling with her weight says Senate Colleagues have made inappropriate remarks to her. Were going to talk than just ahead. A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. 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The story everyone is still talking about tonight, the 9yearold girl who accidentally shot and killed her instructor at a gun range. So should a child ever have an uzi in her hands . Joining me now mel robbins, a cnn commentator and legal analyst. Ben ferguson, political commentator and the host of the ben ferguson show. Mel, to you first. Lets talk about this horrible accident with a 9yearold and an uzi. The bottom line is does a 9yearold child should a 9yearold child be shooting an uzi under any circumstances . You know, don, its absolutely absurd that were even having this conversation. The answer of course is no. This is a fully automatic weapon that has been designed by the Israeli Military for somebody that is in a war situation, not a fourth grader that is on vacation. Look, im progun. But stick a 22 in the hands of a 9yearold under a supervised condition, not a fricking uzi. This is ridiculous. Who is laughing . Who is it . Is it mark . I think its amazing that giving a 9yearold the 22 is the more reasonable and mature and responsible approach. Of course it is. Of course it is. Of course giving a 22 is more responsible than an uzi, but its all relative. My point is the idea of no its not. It is relative. Giving a kid a candy bar is less dangerous than giving him a. 22 which is considerably less dangerous than giving him or her an uzi. Were on the same page. Not really. Because sugar is more addictive than heroin. Touche. Allow me to agree with you on this point. Let us agree tonight. My point is that this was a grossly irresponsible move. A 12yearold or a 15yearold cant handle an uzi, much less a 9yearold based on body weight, common sense. The inspector didnt follow direction. Im not antigun. Im not antisecond amendment. But this is too far. Its funny. When you talk about a conversation many people assume that youre antisecond amendment. But again, the question is it has nothing to do with the second amendment. This is about safety. About common sense. It is possible there is something we can agree upon in this country when it comes to what age a child should be, you know, using a gun . I think this has to do with supervision more than anything else. This could have happened to anybody if they were nervous and they dont know what is going on. You should never put a fully automatic weapon in the hands of anyone who is not comfortable with it. And is nervous or has never shot one before. I mean, this instructor broke so many rules. First of all, you never stand beside someone when theyre shooting. You stand behind them. He should have never loaded that magazine with that many bullets, because everyone knows that a fully automatic weapon is going to rise on you. And in the hands of anybody that is not comfortable, it is going to get away from them. Its not a toy. I think thats a very important point to make. And i also want to make Something Else very clear tonight. This is not this young girls fault. And everyone in america should be letting her know, and i hope she gets the happy that she is going to need from this. Yeah. But this is absolutely not her fault at all. This was an accident. I hope that she understands that, because i think the real tragedy here is yes, he died. But the fact that this young girl is going to believe, im sure at some point she is responsible for his death. And its not her fault. And i think thats important. Youre echoing exactly what we were talking about on the break. Everyone is talking about the adult, the instructor, and of course its sad the instructor died. But i said can you imagine being this 9yearold girl. Absolutely. We need to move on now just for time purposes. Mark, i want to talk about police in fornier, texas has apologized to a mother and her four Young Children after she was mistakenly pulled over at gunpoint, handcuffed. Police say the mistake happened because even though the car was a totally different make and model and color, her car pulled off the exit they had been told the suspects car was headed. So lets hear what happens when the police finally realize their mistake and then well talk about it. Everything is fine now. Everything is fine. Now. Its okay. Everything is fine now, okay . Were fine. Okay. Were fine. Nothing is going to happen. Everything is going to be fine. Its a big misunderstanding. Everything is going to be fine, okay . Everything is fine, and yall be on yalls way, all right . Uhoh, everything is fine, all right, all right. Dont be mad at us. Dont sue us. Listen, im up against a hard break. But if i can get a response from everyone. Marc, should they have apologize in order, and what did you make of their response . Of course they should have apologized. But i dont like the idea of saying dont be too mad, or dont make a big deal about it. This is the problem with policing in this country, whether youre black, white, male or female, this happens. All right. Mel . I agree with marcus. Thats twice in one night. I think thats a record, honey. Ben ferguson . Hey, when you screw up, apologize often and as a loud as you possibly can. So at least they got that part right, you know . Listen, i dont understand how they mixed up a dark minivan for a burgundy maxima. For the same reason, don, that police mix you and me up on a dark street. We dont look nothing alike. It doesnt take a dark street for me to call you, theyll call me other colleagues. Im not marc lamont hill. Im just the other person of color on cnn. Okay, everyone. Thank you. I think weve had enough. Okay. Well talk to you after the break. Well be right back. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, were not just insuring our lives. Were helping protect his. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. Transamerica. Transform tomorrow. This is the first power plant in the country to combine solar and natural gas at the same location. During the day, we generate as much electricity as we can using solar. At night and when its cloudy, we use more natural gas. This ensures we can produce Clean Electricity whenever our customers need it. Welcome back. Clothing retailer zara is in hot water tonight over a shirt for children that looks like an awful lot like a holocaust prisoners uniform. So back with me now to weigh in on this is mel robbins, marc lamont hill, and ben ferguson. Ben, i want you to take a look at this shirt from a clothing line zara has said it is very sorry for selling a childrens tshirt that looks awfully a lot like a jewish the uniform that jews wore in nazi concentration camps. Its a major european clothing company. How could it make something this offensive . How could it make this mistake . I think they need to have a Political Correctness group that actually looks at all their clothes from now on to make sure they dont do another screwup like this in the future. When you see this, there is a part of you that just says seriously, who is working for you . How in the world could this possibly get past all of you there to not realize that this looks like something absolutely terrible. I mean, they have apologized, but like you might want to hire some more diversity. Im just saying. Its childrens. It makes it awful. Its not the first time zara has been accused of selling something that is antisemitic. It was back in 2007. They were forced to remove a handbag with swastikas on it. We reached out to zara for a comment. You may not get one. You may not get one. You got to wonder a little bit, did somebody slide this in there as a way with all the news going on right now and see if they can get away with it, and they got busted. You hate to think that but when you see it, there is a part of me that says really . Do you think the world is going to be this stupid to not notice it, that youre selling it . Ben, lets be honest. They dont have anybody under the age of 30 working for them in terms of clothing designing and marketing and social media. So theyre not old enough to understand what they just designed. So i dont think anybody slipped anything by. I think its a really young workforce that didnt understand what the older folks that are here on cnn, sorry, guys, would interpret. She is talking about ben. Not don, not don. The rest of yall and myself. Were so old here, right . I have to say the first time i ever benefitted about my age when somebody called me a middle aged man on national television. What . Im young and one of my friends said did you just call yourself a young black man on television . We hate to tell you, youre not a young black man anymore. Youre a middle aged black man. Marc, listen. We put this 20 our viewers on twitter, and we got a great question from virginia. She asks this. How could anyone whoever had High School History not know what that represented . And we got this from holly. Its supposed to be a sheriffs badge, which is exactly what i saw and thought of when i first saw the shirt. People are way too nitpicky these days and seem to literally enjoy inventing problems and finding an issue where there just isnt one. And then for the record, zara did quickly apologize and they pulled the tshirt from their stores. Anyway, thats the apology. They sent out a tweet. Do you agree with this . Were looking for too much . Make an interesting point. Many people doing design, many of the people who work there probably didnt know. And americans in general dont have a sense of history. So i can completely imagine a circumstance under which they just didnt know. But thats why you have a diverse workforce. Ben, yes. Ben asked the question who works for them. The question is really, who doesnt work for them. If you show this to enough people, you tested this, this brings back memory and trauma and this is an offensive thing. That brings back a deep legacy of antijewish action. The timing of everything going on right now and for the past couple of months with israel and gaza and hamas and everything the palestinians, the timing of it obviously is horrible. And that also makes you wonder, you know, did somebody maybe think lets see if we can try to have a little jab in this direction. I dont think thats it. I dont think thats the point. Come on, ben. No. That isnt the point, though. You dont have to have an intention necessarily for it to be wrong. Sometimes its indifference to the suffering of others thats the problem. Lots of people arent racist. They just dont think about the ways things can offer racial wounds. Lots of people dont deliberately hate jews. Lets talk about possible homophobia. Espn apologized for a second on michael sams showering habits. Can i just jump in and say this, i dont want to know about the showering habits of anybody that is playing pro sports. I dont care if youre straight. I dont care if youre gay. I want to know about the stats. Did you sack somebody . Did you catch a ball. The fact that espn, though. A straight player showering habits. Do you . Thats the point, though. I dont want to hear about any straight guy or any gay guy that is out there showering on espn. Mel . I do. I want to hear about. I do want to hear about guys showering. Lord have mercy. Way more interesting than what is happening on the field. But this was completely unfrickingbelievable, that they let this go on. Not for one question, don, but for over two minutes for crying out loud. Im not going to let you comment. Well be right back. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Everybody knows that. 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That experience inspired me to create this organization, rocking the boat. You know what is a good trick for that . Just drop this on. Our kids come from the south bronx, one of the poorest places in the country. Their block is all theyve ever known. Kids learn how to build boats. They are sailing. Theyre rowing. Theyre restoring the river. There you go. We open kids up to new possibilities, really, they become someone they would never be able to otherwise. The program has taught me that i can take on any challenge and applied so many of the skills i learned here. Now im going to a good college. I probably wouldnt have got there if not for rocking the boat. Hey, what do you guys think of high tide . Pretty awesome. They can really go anywhere and do anything. Theyve already got what it takes. They just need to put to it work. Rock the boat and if you know someone who deserves this recognition go, to cnnheroes. Com now and tell us all about them. Thats it for us tonight. Im don lemon. Thank you so much for joining us. Ill see you back rosemary churl barnett live for cnn international. Thank you, don, as always. Appreciate it. Well, hello and welcome to our viewers in the United States and all around the world. Im rosemary church. Yes. And im errol barnett. Lots to get to at this hour. First up, no good options. The u. S. Weighs its choices in its fight against the military group isis. Plus a deadly shooting accident that has a lot of people shaking their heads. Why did a firing range allow a 9yearold girl to use a submachine gun . A really sad story there. Raising a lot of questions. All right. But we want obegiit
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