To wish you a happy valentines day. So from your auntie robin who is trying to overlook you, dont forget it is valentines day tomorrow and not to believe the person in your life who says, no, no, you dont have to get me, i dont want anything. Maybe you dont have to buy something, but you do have to do something. Trust me. Trust me. And speaking of you dont have to do anything, piers morgan, i dont know if hes off not doing anything but happy valentines day to you, my friend. Let us ask you on valentines day how many times have you been properly in love . Do you not have another question to ask other people . What do you mean how many times have i been properly in love . Is there an improper way . Maybe i should ask you that. Thats it for us tonight. Normally you can find me in the mornings, thats where i get the energy from. Thank you for allowing me to be here with you tonight in for piers morgan. Anderson cooper starts right now. Robin, thanks. It is 10 00 here on the east coast. We begin with a special edition of 360. Nine days of terror, the hunt for Christopher Dorner. Authorities cornered him and more importantly why they failed to find him sooner. Were going to hear from the man who came face to face with a combat ready but businesslike dorner as he described what might have been an encounter. Xx federal, state and local authorities have been briefing reporters on the latest. Sheriff john mcman identifying the identity killed, jeremiah mackay, a father of two children, a 7yearold daughter and 4monthold son. Additional testing will be done to identify the burned body, which is believed to be that of Christopher Dorner. In addition, he denied any concerted effort to set that fire. Take a look. I can tell you that it was not on purpose. We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get mr. Dorner out. The tear gas canisters that we used, first off, we used a presence when we showed up. Secondly, we used a cold tear gas. Then we used the next tear gas was that that was pyrotechnic. It does generate a lot of heat. We introduced those canisters into the residence and a fire erupted. He was also asked but would not answer if dorner had been planning additional attacks in the area. Thats where things stand right now. Lets look at how we got to this moment, how the final chapter began. Gary tuchman has more. Reporter 12 22 p. M. On tuesday. Thats when a 911 call came in with the first real sighting of fugitive Christopher Dorner in days. Two people who were hired to clean houses in the big bear area run into a man who looks like dorner. He ties them up and then takes off in their purple nissan. One of the cleaners is able to escape. Thats when she calls police. It turns out they were tied up in a house right across the street from the San Bernardino sheriffs command center. 12 45 p. M. , fish and wildlife officials spot a purple car driving on california 38. They begin to pursue him. The suspect realized he had been identified. Reporter dorner tries to evade them, at one point crashing and taking to the woods on foot. With the officers still in pursuit, he stops a truck driven by a resident. Dorner pulls a gun on him but allows him to leave unharmed with his dog. Dorner is now behind the door of a silver pickup truck and gets back on the highway and passes by a fish and wildlife official coming from the opposite direction and once again he is recognized. The officer radios colleagues on the road behind him and warn them dorner is heading straight for them. When dorner spots the vehicle, he rolls down his window and opens fire. The warden in front noticed a white truck coming down, driving erratically at a high rate of speed. The suspect rolled his window down. When the second patrol truck came up, he engaged in the shooting with our wardens as they were driving. He did hit the truck multiple times. Reporter dorner heads up glass road, abandons the truck and takes refuge in a cabin. San Bernardino County sheriffs deputies arrive. An intense firefight breaks out. A reporter for local station kcbs is also on the scene. Were standing here, we dont want to get caught in the cross fire ourselves. You, come here. Me . You, come here [ gunfire ] [ gunfire continues ] hey get the [ bleep ] out of here now. Reporter this video shot by kcbs. Guys down [ gun fire ] reporter two deputies are shot. Returning fire. Theyre returning fire. We have an officer down, officer down. They have an officer down. Medic ship is in the air. Reporter one officer later dies at the hospital. Dorner has now claimed four lives in his rampage. In an effort to get dorner out, Police Fire Tear gas into the cabin and then begin to rip the walls down one by one. Then were going to go forward with the plan, with the burn. Copy. Reporter flames and smoke begin to rise from the cabin. We have fire in the front. He might come out the back. Reporter still unclear how the fire started and spread. Soon afterwards sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence. Reporter what we dont know, whether dorner shot himself or died in the flames. The fire burns for hours. Authorities thinking dorner is still inside. Late tuesday, they say a charred body has been found. The police have not positivity confirmed this is the body of Christopher Dorner. There is a lot of apprehension today in any kind of celebration because this is not a celebration. This has been a very trying time over the last couple of weeks for all of those involved and all those families, friends and everybody thats been touched by this dorner incident. Reporter the first officer shot by dorner was laid to rest today. The manhunt is over. There will be an investigation into how and why this man was able to elude police for nine days is just beginning. Gary tuchman, cnn. Now to the man who lost his truck to Christopher Dorner but is alive to tell the story. I spoke with him a short time ago. Take me through what happened. You were coming up a side road on the highway and you saw Law Enforcement in the area. What happened . I saw something moving in the trees and i could see it was somebody with a gun. Theres been a lot of people around here with guns searching buildings and like that, so im used to seeing them. But it was an odd area for that. Then i realized it was Christopher Dorner and i saw a vehicle crashed in the snow behind him, and he came up to the window of my truck, my driver window with his gun pointed at me and he said, i dont want to hurt you, just get out and start walking and take your dog. How did he look to you . He looked calm, kind of more like well trained, you know, businesslike almost. You know, he didnt have any crazy eyes or anything like that. He was dressed in all military style camouflage. Ballistic vest on with some pockets in the front. Could have had rifle magazines or smoke bombs. I couldnt tell. You said a ballistic vest. Like a kevlar vest . Yeah, a thick vest. The kind ive seen on the pictures ive seen. Military style. So it was all very calm. He was calm. I was calm. It was clear that he didnt consider me one of his targets. He just needed my vehicle and he said get out and start walking and take your dog and thats what i did. I asked if i could get her leash, he said no, just start walking. So i started walking up the road, and i got about maybe 20 seconds up the road, maybe 10 seconds, Something Like that, not very far and i heard a burst of gunfire down by where my truck was. So apparently he turned my truck around and was heading down the direction from which i had just come, and he came head on into a sheriffs unit and there was a firefight there. When i heard the gunfire, i bailed out into the snow, which was on the side of the road, and ran into the snow a little ways until i got to a big tree, got some cover, and i took out my cell phone and i called my friend, the sheriff deputy who i had just seen recently, hes a local deputy that lives in the area and patrols the area. For San Bernardino county. I called him directly. He said rick, what do you got . I said paul, he just took my truck. Excuse me. Paul, he just took my truck. So paul confirmed my truck description, and he said okay. And i hung up and i kept running out towards the highway, just to keep getting away and i called a friend and i said drop what youre doing and come pick me up. Which they did in a little while, and we drove down to where the Highway Patrol had already set up a roadblock and i said stop here, i wanted to sit and relax where i felt safe near the road block and the Police Officers there. Let me ask you, how far the location where he took your truck, how far is that from the cabin where he, according to authorities, ended up . Its about 3, 3 1 2 miles down that windy road. And how far from where the truck ended up is that from the cabin, do you know . Im not really sure. I couldnt really tell where that truck was in the photo i saw in the news. I couldnt get a bearing on it. I dont think its very far. So what were assuming is he went on foot from the time he got out of your vehicle to that cabin, thats the assumption. Right. Im just trying to figure out the distance. Rick, this may be a dumb question, but you have a guy pointing a gun at you, you knew who it was. Did you feel in danger or feel that this is a transaction, hes acting rationally . Well, i felt endangered as far as knowing what his try was, and that i had a gun pointed at my head. However, he said he didnt want to hurt me and i believed him. He wanted me to get out of my truck and walk up the road with my dog, and thats what i did. He needed a vehicle and he took my truck. How do you feel now, having had this experience with him and knowing whats happened subsequently, how do you feel . I feel, you know, unfortunate. I feel like he might have had some compassion for me and my dog, make sure you take your dog. I liked that. Im totally a dog guy and that was a big thing for me, you know, and one thing is, ive been kind of inundated with emails on facebook and people calling me a hero. I just want to be clear that the real heroes are the Law Enforcement officers that are out there doing this job every day. We just had a funeral in riverside today from the officer that was killed the other day. Now were going to have another one in San Bernardino soon, because mr. Dorner determined that i wasnt a target, but he was able to find one of his targets down the road. And now we have one less sheriffs deputy in the county. Its an important thing to remember. Rick, i appreciate you talking to us. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Let us know what you think right now. Follow me on twitter. Next, more revelations agent how the hunt for dorner unfolded and how it ended. Also, what made dorner tick and why some arent surprised that he exploded. A top local reporter joins us, along with veteran john miller as our special 360 coverage continues. I need to rethink the core of my portfolio. What i really need is sleep. Introducing the ishares core, Building Blocks for the heart of your portfolio. Find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. Ishares by blackrock. Call 1800ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. Read and consider it carefully before investing. Risk includes possible loss of principal. Is moving backward. 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As for the fire that consumed the cabin, the sheriff said it was not deliberately set to drive out dorner. He said more testing will be done to confirm the charred corpse is dorner. But as far as Law Enforcement is concerned, the manhunt is over. Joining me now is one of the reporters who hasnt had much sleep, joel ruben of the los angeles times. Joel, you guys have done remarkable reporting on this story. Particularly just in the last 24 hours. What are the most Significant Developments that youve learned today . Well, i think just hearing the San Bernardino sheriff say that while they cant 100 say for sure it is dorners body that they found, that the manhunt is over, as you mentioned, which is the which equates to it was him, as we talked about last night if they had any doubt that perhaps it wasnt him, that they would not have stood down this mass of manhunt. Also, the questions that have erupted over twitter of the fire that erupted at the cabin, and hearing the sheriff say unequivocally they did not intentionally set that fire, whether that extinguishes, sorry the pun, extinguishes the conspiracies out there well see. We have learned and i think can believe with some confidence that the incendiary device that was used was not used to set the fire but was used in order to deploy this agent that is meant to drive dorner out of the cabin. This comes at a time when the officers involved in dismantling the cabin wall by wall, they were using a demolition vehicle where they could sort of take the walls down one by one so that they knew what they were dealing with inside. In the process of doing that theres a lot of radio clhatter between the officers. At one point theres talk of deploying the burners, which led a lot of people to conclude that it was an intentional ignition of fire. So shortly after the talk of the burners, there is a report by one of the officers of a fire breaking out and quickly engulfing the cabin. Today at the press conference the sheriff was asked about that term, burners, and what they were. He said that is a colloquial term for a type a heating agent involved. The heating agent ive been told by members of the lapd s. W. A. T. Who are familiar with it, the heating agent is not used to set a fire but to deploy the tear gas in a more potent way, but it can cause fires and that seems to be what happened. The other thing thats raised a lot of questions is last night there seemed to be discrepancies between what the lapd and the Sheriffs Department in San Bernardino were saying. Have the agencies cleared up their stories . Does it make sense to you now . Do you know what was going on last night . No, im not sure well ever get a clear answer. I think we can speculate it was just a very chaotic situation and i think there was a lot of obviously a lot of frayed nerves and whenever you get several agencies involved covering a huge territory and especially covering a story that everybody in the world is paying attention to, youre going to get a lot of attention between the agency. I think, and this is just me speculating, the l. A. County didnt want to get out ahead of the San Bernardino Sheriffs Department, it was their operation and perhaps San Bernardino was putting pressure on lapd to back off and then these reports came out and some of them attributed to the lapd saying that a body had been found. I think there was probably just a lot of frayed nerves going on and everybody just wanted to back off. So the lapd took the someone confusing stance that a body had been found. We had sources telling us that a body had been found. It may have been that they were reporting their confusion that the body was inside because of their confidence they had seen dorner inside. Well still trying to figure it all out. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. John miller, what have you learned . One of the things was they said were in the going to remove the protective details of the people on the hit list. Thats 58 members of the family and that was more than 400 officers. These are the gangs division, the narcotics divisions from all of the areas of the lapd had been mobilized to do a plain clothes surveillance portion, as well as a high profile uniform portion. Frankly, this is something we havent gotten into while it was going on, but i think we can say it now, the threat was so high and some of the locations were so difficult to protect that entire families were moved into police stations. The police stations themselves have what they call station defense posture, the kind of posture they would put out by disorder or riot. Where the station is defended by an armed group on the perimeter. This was theyfairly unlike any experienced before. When you saw some of those families go home, you saw kind of a great exhaling today in los angeles. And is it clear to you how long we may not know this, you may not know this how long dorner was in that other cabin where he allegedly took two people hostage. Was that the only cabin he had been staying in . Why wasnt me found if there were doortodoor searches . It could have been he was in there the whole time. It could have been he was in there an hour before. The idea that it looked out on to the ranger station which for a time served as the command post and he would have had a view of operations harkens to something he said in his manifesto, which was that incident command posts will be a target rich environment. Here he is holed up in an apartment that almost has a view directly on the command post on the other side of the road with a automatic sniper rifle with. 50 caliber sniper bullets. You have to ask yourself two questions. One, when his truck broke was that the first place he could find to get into . Or two, did he choose it because it would give him an observation post and potentially a target. Are you aware how far the broken down truck was from that location . I was told its not that far away. I havent been there. This might have been the first place he encountered. Or he might have hid and found his way back to it. About the search, because you asked about that, they would check houses and if there was any forced entry, they would go in and check that house to determine did that have anything to do with him, was he still there . If there were houses unlocked, they would check those. But where there was sign of no forced entry, generally that was a sign to them that this was in tact. In general there were some exception. They didnt make a forced entry to places already locked. So you could consider a scenario where he would have found an unlocked place or found a hidden key, made an entry and locked it behind him. And thats the kind of building, given the amount they had to deal with, 660 cabins and other things that they might not have ever gotten to. We found the correct audio referencing lighting up the house. I want to play that and have you talk about it. Were going to go forward with the plan with the burn. Copy. The burner is deployed and we have a fire. Copy 7. Burner is deployed and we have a fire. Guys be ready on the number four side. We have fire in the front. He might come out the back. So some people who listened to this said that is evidence they believe that the police were wanting to light the house on fire, maybe to smoke him out or to kill him inside. So from a tactical stand point, and when you listen to that audio, you have to have those concerns and those questions, whether thats terminology or whether thats intent. Those questions will all be asked. Thats part of this process here. But from a tactical standpoint, youve got cold gas and youve got hot gas. They deployed both in these cases. Tear gas . Right. The difference between the cold gas and hot gas is that the hot gas burns at a higher temperature. Its more intense and it will drive a suspect out sooner and faster. Thats the upside of it tactically. The risk factor is it doesnt always catch fire. It does burn the gas out of the its called a tactical pocket grenade. It does burn the gas out and the gas is stronger. It has a higher risk of fire depending on how its deployed and what it hits going on, whether it gets tied up in the curtains or rolls across the floor. Depending on those circumstances, it has a higher sense of fire than cold gas. You know the suspicion of Law Enforcement in this, that they were angry that a detective was killed on that very day shortly before that. So the conspiracy theory, the suspicion is that in anger they would want to kill him. Do you think there is evidence of that, or would they have wanted to get him out alive . I think if you look at it from no one can know the answer to that, unless we get into their minds. If you look at it from purely a tactical sense, they deployed the regular tools that they would in a rare circumstance like this where you had heavily armed man who was known to have already killed a number of people and who by the fact that he was caring on you by a. 50 caliber armor piercing rounds intending to kill more people. So this is where youre going to use the tactical available tools that you have to get him out of there, no matter how harsh they may be. Now, if those devices started to fire, we have to consider there was nothing keeping him in that residence. He could have come out the back door with his hands up. He could have waved a white flag. He determined to stay in there. He apparently determined as it seems from the audio weve heard to probably shoot himself and take his own life. But in these things, there is a modicum of control that the perpetrator has, and he exercised that. John miller, always good to have you. Thanks. Good to be here. A lot more to talk about, including Christopher Dorners allegations against the lapd. Just ahead, the burned out cabin remains an active crime scene. The family that owns the property, today they tried to check out the damage for themselves. Well be right back. Pocket agen. You can also get a quote and pay your premium with this thing. I thought state farm didnt have all those apps . Where did you hear that . The internet. And you believed it . Yeah. They cant put anything on the internet that isnt true. Where did you hear that . [ both ] the internet. Oh look. Here comes my date. 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Yeah, from what i can see, it actually looks like maybe the barn is too, theres a barn about ten feet away from it. I cant quite tell, though. This is just material stuff. I feel bad for the people who have lost loved ones and what not. An important point, but you can imagine how anxious he is to see what if anything is left of their cabin. Randi kaye spent the day with him. Trying to get off that mountain. Reporter less than 12 hours after he watched his familys cabin burn to the ground, kyle martin is determined to see whats left. Before making the twohour drive up here to the Big Bear Mountain area, kyle checked online to see if highway 38 was open. It was at highway 38 and glass road where the shootout took place, between the suspect and the fish and game officers. I do know its closed. I do know its open to residents. As far as how close theyll let me get, i dont know. I think its still a homicide scene, so well try our luck. Reporter when the standoff started, kyles sister texted him to tell him s. W. A. T. Teams were on their road at their cabin. She had recognized the tennis courts. What did you think when you saw your cabin, your cabin burning on live tv . Its kind of funny, because when we first heard it, i was in the car and listening to the radio, and then it was kind of surreal. And then when we finally got home, i turned on the tv just to see it burning, yeah, it kind of hit home. Memories. After about i would say five minutes, it kind of sunk in and just looking at it, im going through my head, the nation is watching our cabin burn. Reporter kyles family has had the cabin since 2004. They rented it out often. It was their family business. For nearly a week, kyle had been watching the manhunt play out on tv. He admits the thought crossed his mind, what if Christopher Dorner ended up at his cabin . I even jokingly around, not ever thinking he would go there, say if anything, that would be a good place for someone to hold up if they wanted to. Reporter because you knew it empty and secluded . It was empty and secluded and rarely do you get visitors. Reporter this was not the First Time Police had been to kyles cabin. In fact, they had just been there two days before the fire. The scary thing is, at that time, kyles aunts were staying at the cabin. So if this had gone down then, kyles family might have been harmed. As we made our way down highway 38 toward glass road, kyles luck runs out. Road closed. Its closed. Theyre not going to let us through. We can turn around up here. Reporter you want to give it a shot . Yeah. Im just going to ask. I was wondering if residents can get through . Certain residents, yes, with proper i. D. Where are you going to . Its the main house, the cabin. What street . 7 oaks road. Youve got to go down glass road . Nope, not there. Not even if im the owner of the house . Theyre not letting anybody in. And that may be a while. Reporter the deputy directed kyle to the San Bernardino county Sheriffs Department, who tells him the same thing. His cabin is still an active crime scene and he has to wait. He still didnt go for it . No. Reporter are you frustrated . No. Because i understand what theyre doing. Up kn you know, i dont want to get in their way. Reporter kyle is trying to have a good attitude, but his family has been through a lot. His father died last year, and his grandfather died last week. So this is hard to handle. He feels for those who have lost loved ones during this man hunt. Cabins can be rebuilt, but the lives that this guy took and injured for that matter, my condolences out to them. You know, theyre in a far worse spot than i am and my family. Reporter randi kaye, cnn, Big Bear Mountain. That is certainly true. Believe it or not, Christopher Dorner has what you might even call fans online. 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Theres been a show of support for Christopher Dorner on social media. There are conspiracy theories, empathy by some for his f manifesto. It seems in the world of twitter, anyone can get an audience. Dan simon reports. Sheriff mcman has asked that all the helicopters pull back or leave the area of the barricaded suspect. Reporter as police ask the helicopters to back off and as the cabin went up in flames, social media lit up, with users crying conspiracies. So u. S. Authorities have burned someone to death in a cabin and let it burn through the basement so no body is left. Another says, come on, how is dorners body burned beyond recognition . But they found his license he just so happened to be carrying . I think dorner killed someone and left their body in that fire. Others blasted the police. Were going to go forward with the plan with the burn. Reporter blaming them for the cabin fire. Lapd was prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner yesterday. They burned him alive. Apparently burning people alive is considered appropriate behavior for the police. From the very beginning, dorner found plenty of sympathizers. I just want to start off by saying i perfectly support 100 what Christopher Dorner is doing. I read this manifesto and i basically believe him. Reporter on facebook, more than 18,000 likes for a page titled we stand with Christopher Dorner. On instagram, the rapper have soul spoke for many when he said this was a necessary evil. God bless you, sir. Please like antiheroes and we have a heroes rooting for people like bonnie and clyde and butch cassidy. Reporter usc professor karen snort. One of the things social media has allowed us to do is join conversations and not be as accountable for our opinions. Reporter in other words, people may express things online they wouldnt necessarily say to their friends in public. Others just like to be provocative. Still, this user poses a question many today are asking. Why is america showing so much support for him . Reporter dan simon, cnn, san francisco. It was dorners rage at the lapd that led to the path of death and destruction over the past nine days. Brian bentley says he understands dorners frustration. He was on the force for ten years in the 90s and has been outspoken for what he calls ram pant racism. He says he was fired for writing a book, detailing what he said was misconduct, racism that he witnessed with the lapd. Brian bentley joins me now. You were on the lapd for ten years in the 1990s when the department was dealing with a number of scandals. I know you dont condone in any way what dorner did but you say you understand some of dorners anger. How so . Of course i understand, because as a police officer, i learned the hard way. There isnt a place to express your opinion if youre a whistleblower. Youre automatically become an outcast. You automatically are harassed by supervision. There is nowhere to turn. You cant go to attorneys, because if youre fired you dont have the money. If you dont have the money, you dont have the money to seek counseling to get help. So you feel like theres nowhere to turn. When i wrote my book, the purpose of my book was because i felt there wasnt an outlet for me to express what i was dealing with. I turned to writing as opposed to doing what he did. Some of the things i wrote about, i had never i hadnt seen them since i wrote about it until dorner expressed his feelings and his manifesto. Do you believe the lapd has changed, though . Because minority recruitment is up significantly. They have made huge efforts of outrage to the community in l. A. Do you think theres been significant change . I know there has not been change. There has not been a significant change. Its different from when i came up. My Training Officer looked at me in my eye the first day and told me youre black, you dont belong on this job. My job is not to train you, its to get you fired because you slipped through the cracks. That opinion is still there. That view of the Department Still runs it runs through that department. And theres lots of proof to that claim. We have breaking news. The couple who say they were held hostage by Christopher Dorner yesterday spoke out just a short time ago about their ordeal. Listen to this. Hello, everyone. We would like to make a statement regarding the incident that occurred here yesterday afternoon. First of all, id like to introduce ourselves. This is my house jim reynolds and i am karen reynolds, and um sorry. We are the owners of Mountain Vista resort. The first thing that we would like to clarify is that we were the victims that were in with him yesterday and our house keepers were not involved at all. He never saw them, they never saw him. The unit that he was in was a unit that we have been using for over three years as a longterm rental. And it has been unoccupied since january 29th. And since that period of time, we have been trying to refurbish it and clean it up and working on it off and on between the busy winter season. So the last date that we were actually in there working was february 6th. Wednesday. Yeah, that was wednesday. We were planning to go back thursday and continue working but thats when they found his truck and all the excitement and so we just stayed in the house and did the go back. The chaos. We were watching all of you and everyone, like the command center being set up. So we didnt do any work. So would he have been here through thursday watching the command post and watching the press briefings . He could have been but we doesnt kn dont know for sure that he was. And the first time we had gone in there since because we had a heavy weekend and all the snow was yesterday. And it was just jim and i that had gone in there. And thats when we found he was in there and thats when all of this had started. Did he steal your car . Yes, he took our car. Yes, he did. What happened when he saw you . Well, when we had come in, he was in the upstairs part and thats where the living room is and one bedroom upstairs. In the back. And we had come into the living room and he opened the door and came out at us. And he his gun drawn. He yelled stay calm and ran out. So you were not tied up . Yes, we were. Not at that point. Reporter i just want to clarify that it was the both of you. Because the reports was it was two women. That has been wrong. It was the two of us. Reporter did he come back in with the two of you . He was in there with us. We didnt get away from us. He spoke with us, tried to calm us down. When he jumped out and hollered stay calm, karen screamed and started running and he ran after her. He caught her on the staircase and brought her back. Reporter it sounded like he tried to calm you down. Yes, he did. You could see that big gun sticking up there. He had his gun drawn the whole time. He had the gun drawn showing reporter did you know it was him . Oh, yes. Reporter how long were you in there with him . About 15 minutes. Reporter it felt a lot long longer. It felt a lot longer. He talked to us and said very frequently he would not kill us. Thats exactly how he said that. He told us about the man in the boat in san diego. Said he didnt kill him, wasnt going to kill us. He said it was a means to the we end and thats what he wants from us, he needs transportation out of big bear. He continued to say quite frequently he would not kill us. And he just us to do what he asked. And so he had bound our hands first while we were still in the living room he had some plastic ties, big, big wraps on and he made us put our hands behind our back and tied our hands. He made us go to the back bedroom. First he had us lay on the bad and cross our feet, then he had me lay on the floor and then he tied the hands real tight and cut my circulation off. And he did her, had her lay down, did the same thing. Reporter did you think he was going to kill you then . Not when he had me laying on the ground, i thought he really did. I thought he changed his mind, he was just going to get us in there and was going to do it. But he came back with a couple of washcloths, stuck one in each of our mouths. Then he went back into the living room. He came back in with a cord and tied it got a couple of extension cords. Put a pillow case around our head through the mouth, around the back and tied it real tight. Reporter why are you talking now . Why are you telling us all this now . Whats the motivation . Get the record straight. Theres a lot of misinformation out there. Yeah, a lot of misconception. We have people you know, we have guests who think our place has burned down because the cabin that he has died in well, we think its him but, you know, has burned down. All the things about it being the women were here and working but they were not involved at all with him. Reporter how do you think he got in . After he tied the pillow cases to your head, did he leave . When did you know it was safe to do something . First he kneeled down beside me and said youre going to be quiet, right, dont try and get loose, give me time . I said oh, yeah, sure. Then he left and he was back in probably 15 or 20 seconds, he wasnt gone very long. And he looked he looked at the car keys i gave him and said these arent keys. We had a keyless car. Trying toe1cocoxdxd workedq ont trying to stand up. He scooted over toward the bedroom door that he but hexd couldnt get up and couldnt reach ie1co mean, w were really bound. Couldntco get it open. R i was able toco roll on to m knees and scoot over to the bed and actually get on to my feet. And like kind ofq shuffled to where he was and got the door open. Did you have aok cellni phon c kith you that you were able t] call . We had taken cell phones we had cell phones with us when we went in. We always have our cell phones when were working out on the property. But i actually found my cell phone was still in my pocket there i realized it wasnt in my pocket. I mean, like ini could feel tha it wasnt nrnithere. So i thought, like, while we were on the sof o he had got