table once these impeachment articles have been brought. it's wrong also because the mcgahn testimony -- recall from mueller, mcgahn is told by trump to fire mueller and then told by trump to lie about it. there's a pattern there, and the articles invoke that. and of course as doug leder says, it's a little bit of saber rattling. but if they find more stuff -- this happened with andrew johnson -- that's more counts of impeachment. nothing is changed in that respect. so there's no less urgency than there was before to get their hands on the mcgahn testimony. >> you know, john, i have to ask. you think about this going to the senate at some point in time. we know the senators are going to essentially be the jurors. but it's interesting to hear that from him considering that he said that he's not trying to be a fair juror from someone like senator lindsey graham and the same goes with mcconnell. what are you thinking about the notion of having this fair trial if you have at least two senators already who are saying, this is not going to be a fair
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