time. >> what you heard is very different from what i actually said or what i actually meant. and the idea that people have to kind of go back and debate whether or not he said it, no, there's a fact as to whether or not that particular thing is true or not true. and the idea that you would be offensive, not apologize for it, not ask for forgiveness for it and then tell the people who you've offended that they are wrong from having benefited because it's not what you said or it's not what you meant, it is snault on top of insult. >> but what you're describing, charles, is the trump m.o. he did the same thing about meghan kelly when he said she was bleeding out of parts of her body and he said i didn't mean that. >> which is precisely right. >> this is donald's m.o. and it's working, unfortunately. >> i think it's working among people who live this sort of thing, who relish the insult and
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