they've lost confidence in the entire justice system here in the united states. >> well, they have. and i would agree that black people get poor treatment in the criminal justice system. but as i said, i don't think it's because they're black or hispanic. it's because they're poor. the guys that walk into court or the women that walk into court that are well-represented with the best lawyers money can by get a better treatment than people that rely on public defenders who are so overworked and so underresourced. from what i've seen, that's the difference. at the federal level, i dealt with the organized crime program of the fbi which i ran for five years. when those gangsters walk into court, they also had tremendous legal representation and even though we were able to get the convictions we got, the federal system doesn't see this happen to the great extent that the state and local systems do. >> more of a socioeconomic factor. >> one issue that i think underlines how interrelated
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