they're not going to say we'll open the government, raise the debt ceiling, then talk about the things we care about. >> the interesting question is i think now, if the two sides don't trust each other and boehner and the president don't trust each other, who could the go-between be? you saw john mccain there on the floor, sort of volunteering, saying you know, i'll be the go-between. the problem with john mccain is that i think he can talk to lots of democrats but he's the one who called ted cruz what was it, a whacko? the republicans do not trust mccain. then you have the question of joe biden. joe biden, you know, did a couple of deals. it's the senate democrats led by harry reid who feel like he sold them up the river on those deals on the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling in 2011. so joe biden is not the one leading this charge. >> is that relationship between harry reid, the democratic leader, majority leader in the senate and joe biden that poisonous right now? >> their personal relationship is okay. forgive me, this is a
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