90% of the time and we have gone through city councils and school boards and corporate board rooms to change the culture of gun violence in this country so we actually are winning against the gun lobby. it is important to remember that and much like any social issue. you have to build momentum on the ground, create change that eventually points the right president and the right congress in the right direction. >> wes, what do you say to your friends when they say, brother, we have so many gun laws right now? it's so comply kated and hard and oriented toward keeping good people to go through the process from getting a weapon and do nothing to stop the bad guys that buy them off the street? what do you say? >> let me go back to the point that the heller was the best for the nra. nra opposes pro-gun legislation. they just use guns as a tribal
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