in the intervening 20 years. and the conditions in afghanistan, the underlying conditions in afghanistan that made so difficult and, at the end, impossible this notion of state building. so i think he's been clear and consistent for at least a decade on this count that these are the two substantive cornerstones to his argument. >> and what about the criticism that he's gotten for the way that the actual end of the war was conducted, the withdrawal and, you know, there are criticisms that he should've started withdrawing the afghan allies, the siv recipients earlier. the president obviously feeling a bit defensive today, talked about how the american citizens in afghanistan had been mourned 19 times. i don't know if it's fair to say he was pointing fingers of blame, but he certainly was suggesting, hey, we didn't just pull out, we tried to tell people to leave.
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