world. this is a dangerous time. we all need to sober up. nato has prevented an awful lot of bad things from happening. plus it's not just a defense institution, it's foreign policy and state departments involved, too. the ministers of state and our secretary of state meets regularly just like defense ministers and secretary of defense at nato. it's more than just collective defense security. it's economic, trade, state craft. it's all our interests rolled into one institution. >> it's not just that president trump is suspicious of institutions which obviously he is. to a degree he was elected to disrupt the normal way of things, quote, unquote. take a listen to one of these quotes from macron. in my discussions with president trump when he says it's your neighborhood, not mine. when he states publicly the terrorists, jihadists that are over there, they're european. they're not american. when he says it's their problem, not mine, we must hear what he's