the senate gave a strong senate about the need to protect and respect whistle-blowers, clearly seemed to be aimed at president trump. has president trump come anywhere near the line in terms of intimidating or violating the whistle-blower protection act, do you think? >> well, again, it depends on what the consequences are for violation. but clearly the whistle-blower protection act is designed to keep this process anonymous. and all of this talk about hearsay and things, it is irrelevant. it is like someone calls and tells a police officer i heard where the body is buried. you go and check where the body is buried. the baton is handed off by this whistle-blower to congress and then you have to follow the facts. but the things that the president are saying are deeply disturbing because it not only -- if this person is outed, puts them and their family at some risk, but also creates a chilling effect. then the whistle-blower statute itself won't function. people won't tell. because they're worried. >> stick around. we have much more to talk about. they are two of president trump's men and now they are permanently tied to that phone call with the ukrainian
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