really -- it's wonderful. it's a wonderful celebration of film. i learned so much about the man. you knew him. did you learn anything after watching this movie? >> you know, i did. i didn't think i would. i heard the film was coming. i have great respect for steve james. but i was surprised, i found out more about his illness and also seeing him battle the illness day in day out. you really got much more appreciation for kind of his courage and his stamina and his will and also even though i knew about the battles he has with gene siskell, to see it in the way the film portrays it gave me new insight into that. so i didn't really expect to learn something new and i did. >> that was also enjoyable. they really did dislike each other for a lot of their relationship although they did come to have a grudging brotherly love for one another towards the end when siskell tied. >> yes.