decades, more than 35 years through social circles and through howard university, the board of howard university. it is really an intimate and small and tight-knit professional black community here in washington, d.c. you would see general powell, his wife, alma, at many of the functionings and activities, whether it was the boulay or the lakes or jack and jill or any one of those black service organizations that would bring all of us together on many, many occasions. wolf, the first time that i met secretary powell, it speaks to his charm. it was 28 years ago. he was the commencement speaker at harvard university. i was just a young reporter at the time. he was very controversial about the don't ask, don't tell policy in the military that was prohibiting gays from openly serving in the military. there was of course that negotiation that took place, the don't ask, don't tell policy through clinton.
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