go with russia. >> i want to turn back -- >> it's hard to see a venn diagram where the ukrainians and russians go away happy. i just don't see that. >> well, from a military point of view i wanted to ask you, general pittard, you are suggesting a humanitarian no fly zone over western ukraine. how would that work? >> it would be a humanitarian assistance zone. ideally under the auspices of the united nations but that may not happen, it may have to be nato and u.s. led working with president zelenskyy and ukraine we're carving out western ukraine down to odesa as a humanitarian assistance zone which would take nato troops led by the u.s. on the ground doing peace enforcement missions, being prepared for combat and also a no fly zone over western ukraine. i think it's time that if we're really serious about taking care of refugees and making sure humanitarian assistance takes place that that is done. >> well, look, anytime that
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