>> i absolutely agree with that! it's one of the things i have to agree with scott on. you can't -- you're not going to win independents by going completely to the left. zbli i'm sorry but medicare to all doesn't speak to me and a lot of people. he's saying i'm a little bit reasonable here. he actually pleasant. you know, there's a sense of stability that is there that people are just desperate for. so i'm not surprised he's actually rising in the polls. i think people are looking for a different alternative because they don't really -- they're not necessarily okay with what is in the field now. >> i imagine you might disagree with the former president? >> what i think about is going back to his first race. president obama ran as a visionary candidate. he did not run as pragmatic, practical candidate. he wanted to end the war, end "don't ask don't tell."
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