wife goes into the house. i sat there in my little previous and had a chat with the president, we had phone reception, and backed out to where i get better reception. >> reporter: rudy giuliani was on the line too, and bowers says it was giuliani whose began making crazy claims about voter fraud in arizona. >> i can't give you the exact numbers, i will throughout numbers, but they were kind of of the audacious numbers. like 200,000 illegal aliens voted, 6000 military ballots were stolen and used. >> reporter: bowers says giuliani wanted him to hold an official arizona house hearing to air these claims, publicly. >> and then i said, but what is the whole purpose of this, what are you trying to achieve? and he said, well, we have heard that there is an arcane law in arizona that, if you have sufficient cause that you can throw out the biden electors, and put in trump electors. and i said that is a new one to
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