kahtani, one of the top aides who's not in the trial, who we believe we should be. and then, of course, the -- he's the head of state. whether he ordered it directly or not, he's responsible for what takes place on his watch. and i think he needs to come forward and say that publicly to try to get us beyond this issue, because the relationship between saudi arabia and the united states goes back 80 years. and it's very important, not so much for oil anymore, but because of the tenseness, the complexity of the situation in the middle east. saudi arabia is a strong bulwark against iran, which has expansionist desires in the whole region. so saudi arabia is an important ally, but the crowned prince knows, he's got to be straightforward about this khashoggi business. >> well, you spent an hour with him, senator king. you clearly looked him in the