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it's a matter of how you go about it and to say this is unheard of just isn't right. >> i would ask both of you, this just gets to the point you're making. there is a normal conversations process for resolving disputes between the house and the senate, is that correct? >> yes. >> that process hasn't occurred here, mr. collins. i think that's what you're telling me. it doesn't serve neatly into the speaker's impeachment at christmas timeline, to borrow your way of looking at it. we're not really engaged. this is a normal give or take where both sides manage to avoid an exchange where they might lose something. but all of that has been set aside. we haven't had any process like that, have we? >> no. mr. cole, i want to point out something i disagree with, which is mr. mcgahn.

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