the issue is always compared to who? if you compare it to trump you always come out looking better. >> there's a lot of candidates on the stage who are hoping that they're going to make it to the next round. hoping they make enough of a splash they can fundraise and continue on campaigning. we've seen some of these, i guess, the lower tiered candidates trying to make a maim for themselves. is there anyone in particular you have your eye on tonight? >> well, first of all, all of them have a serious challenge. there are going to be 12 people on that stage. i've been on the debate stage many, many times. hard enough to get a word in edgewise only four people much less 12. the debate will be fairly long and it's three hours and hopefully each have a moment but they have to find a way to get past each other. elizabeth warren as everybody has seen is doing better in polls. bernie sanders had a health issue i think he's going to have to address that will cause some people some concern, but the lower tier candidates whether it's tulsi gabbard, pete, beto