be, the further he has to go to reject basic reality. perry, what do we do in that environment? perry, you also wrote local news outlets need to be democracy defending institutions. so you're not just talking about the cnns of the world. >> yeah. it looks like some of the most dangerous politicians in terms of being anti-science, anti-vaccines, anti-truth are kristi noem, the governor of south dakota. so you've seen -- we've had a very important last year of policy. a hundred thousand people have died and we have to get serious about the idea that vaccines work. we cannot -- masks work. we have certain states that wouldn't or criticized the idea of having masks or the idea of getting vaccines. this is not -- this is way too serious. we're beyond the idea that we can talk about both sides. this is a life and death matter,