had been accused of assault twice last. year he had been held in the south korean jail. he was due to be removed or separated as they were saying from the u.s. army. and what does he make of everything? >> it is very bizarre, because i think when you look at the history, you have a lot of north korean defectors, but you don't have the american defectors. you have five or six cases in the past. so it is very bizarre, it looks like he got into a lot of trouble, as you mentioned, in south korea. he cursed at a police officer. he vandalized some cars. he hit and assaulted a south korean citizen. and he was supposed to be sent back. from an airport to didn't get on that flight, and made it straight to the dmz, and so it is very intentional that he intended to run to north korea. he didn't want to come back to the united states, i guess. >> what is he facing in north korea? i mean, i think some people would rightly say that it is bizarre that you would prefer to go there then to return to the united states? >> it is a gigantic present, north korea is a person of 25 million people, so i'm sure he is regretting right now. but it is very uncertain what he is a future holds. because he defected. so it's not like north koreans are the ones who are detaining american citizens. like, otto --

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