world stage would see is just one of many tools that the russians could use. i heard your conversation with general clark earlier and it's so true because we're talking about a range, a spectrum of covert and overt maligned actions that russia could use. i'm guessing, truthfully, based on past experience that some of them are happening right now. not being reported, as you said earlier, but certainly there. >> i suppose on the olympics thing with georgia in 2008, they were willing to act then. they certainly keep their options open. i wonder, are you confident, general hertling, there is nato unity on a firm response to anything on the menu of potential russian actions? i mean, this gets to biden's minor incursion comment which the white house has repeatedly walked back since then but did he expose disunity on what happens if russia falls short of
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