through an overdose, they're not republicans or democrats, not living in a red space or blue states, rich or poor or black or white. they're human beings that we need to help support. that's exactly the way i look at it, looking at addiction as a chronic relapsing brain disease rather than a choice. >> if you compare the united states to similar other countries, the overdose death rates are three to four times higher. if it's a brain disease that's driving this, why does it so disparately affect this country? >> if you recall, first we had the prescription opioid epidemic. we saw an incline in deaths and addiction because of that. i was right there in the trenches where i was seeing the marketing happening to me about why these are such great things. from there we went and saw -- it turned into the heroin injection drug use epidemic.