will start to have it with -- and we've started to talk about, president trump, and it's clear we must assume together the european countries, i think those that are less than 500 kilometers of the russian board enand not to be exposed to a russian disarmament and so the joint position that we wish to have and with a new treaty, bilateral treaty and it is what europe -- it is that europe takes up its responsibility and will do so and that we can then once we have coalition to have a new debate, discussion with the russians to talk about disarmament and security on our own territory. >> i think the situation in ukraine is very important. i think that the meetings coming up with russia and ukraine are very important. and there's a possibility that