been affected in a negative way by illegal immigrants who commit crimes. the same way that this guy had been kicked out of the country more than five times in california who made huge headlines by killing an innocent woman walking with her father. so the studies mean nothing to those families because they've seen the illegal immigrant who murdered their child in front of them and held them until she died and that is the reason why donald trump is connecting with so many people. >> we're going to have one of those mothers on who was meeting with donald trump last night. she's going to be on with us to talk about exactly what ben pointed out. what's your response to that, mark? >> well ben's right about one thing here right? that these extraordinary, unusual stories will resonate with somebody because there is a kind of fear in xenophobia around mexican immigrants. there are those who will believe whatever you tell them. so donald trump is playing to