>> yeah, that is just cowardly nonsense and leads to herd mentality. campaigns are about contrast and leadership is about standing up for what you believe and that charisma of common sense and authenticity and every time the candidates tiptoe around criticizing donald trump and they do themselves and the country a disservice and they make themselves weaker not stronger. i think nikki haley stood up and speak out. i think chris christie has been doing that for a while and think mike pence got a lot of attention, the attacks were going against vivek. but desantis and tim scott, you know, when someone is rising candidates heading into the debate didn't stand out as much on that stage. but it reminds you that debates matter and we should be having a contest of ideas not a cult of personality. >> and margaret, this morning my colleague dana bash asked gop