hadine in the '80s inside of afghanistan, that's a good thing. not sure i would go as far as colonel vinman proposed. that would make ukraine sound too much like a nato member and may cause a reaction from the ru russians that would push this over the borders. i agree with getting them as much they can right now. >> when you see some of this awful video where homes are destroying in areas where zero militarily significant infrastructure, this has to look intentional to you, that putin is bombing civilian areas to gain leverage over this country. >> well, i would say if it's not intentional, it's indifference on the part of putin and the russian general staff. this is the playbook. the russians don't see civilians. they don't see infrastructure as having a protected status.