that she's going to put up the same kind of defense that her brothers put up in the early 1990s when they were charged of helping their father, who is there dead, steal hundreds of millions of dollars from their employee's pension funds. and i think what you're going to see here, we can see from the pretrial motions that ghislaine maxwell is going to say she too was a victim of epstein and like her brothers did, she's going to poke holes at the credibility of the government witnesses. and bear in mind, these charges are from a very, very long time ago. so the government is going to use that. >> it's fascinating stuff, vicky ward. thanks so much for being with us. the three-part special streaming now on discovery plus. vicky ward, great to see you again. thanks for stopping by. he spent decades behind bars
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