emotionally spent. it's been a long, hard road for them, from november 4, 1979, when they were taken captive until today. so, it's a great holiday season. >> you know, the families, they were banned from suing the iranian government. that was a condition of their release. and therefore, they were never able to go to court, never able to get a judgment, so that they could get assets belonging to iran, assets that might be frozen in other countries. how frustrating was that to them? >> well, that's absolutely right, deb. and you couldn't -- you picked the right adjective. it was extremely frustrating they were barred and precluded. they were the only 150-odd americans who were barred and precluded from being able to go to court and obtain a judgment and to exercise on that judgment against iran, because of the courts.