>> i think she's exactly right that they are evenly matched. it comes down to pure debating skills, though, ted cruz is really without peer in american politics. off guy who's been in front of the supreme court umpteen million times and won umpteen million and two. he's very, very tough to debate. i do think that -- really on rubio now. we came out of that last debate, it was rubio, rubio, rubio. it was like ted cruz wasn't even there. now you come back. this flip, it's reversed. rubio has got to figure out a way to assert himself that, listen, if you're trying to leave trump toll safer water, leading ben carson to safer water, i'm the safe guy. i know how to keep you safe. not this guy. if he can figure out a way to do it, he could pull it off. but to go he to head with ted cruz, who you know is going to be meticulously well prepared, who's going to have this place ready to go, dangerous for rubio, but he has to do it. >> i disagree. i think ted cruz was vizable in

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