cooper was just a little baby, but i'm -- never knew her like i know ross. >> how about you, ray? >> no. i didn't know her. >> okay. >> you don't know leanna. >> like i know ross. >> when you hear some of these allegations, is your mind about him changing at all, or are you staunchly behind him, and the man that you knew him to be? ray? >> i didn't -- i didn't hear that question too good. >> when you hear these allegations and you said you don't believe the allegations, is there any part of you, though, that questions who he is now, as to, as opposed to who he was when you knew him very well? >> no. i just don't -- i don't know. i just don't believe ross is