neurosurgeon at johns hopkins who has done a lot of incredible things. there's a lot more evangelicals to like there. they don't like the donald trump is going after all the other candidates, but they like the fact that trump and carson are outsiders. so if you're going to have two outsiders, two very smart men obviously but one man is deeply religious, deeply evangelical, and somebody who these evangelicals have known for years. that's why they're going with ben carson. >> you're saying ben carson's favorite book really is the bible? >> it is literally. it's not his own book, and it is the bible, yes. >> ron, just a last question about ben carson because something else that donald trump and ben carson have in common, they don't have fully formed policies, but voters don't seem to care very much. >> well, i think patricia's last point is spot on and why you have seen both of them rise in the polls. they want an outsider, someone who is not business as usual. people are sitting around saying in you can't of over 300 million people, why do we have another
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