sometimes have you to look in camera, once you get the ball rolling, usually it leads to positive results and historically has allowed the congress to do its work. >> and were any of these things done here? >> no. in fact they decided, we're not going to subpoena certain people that are important, is that fair to say? >> and we're not going to go to court and enforce them. these people have -- these folks that are caught in an interbranch struggle. that's an unfortunate position for any employee. >> one of the interesting things, dr. cupper man who has been described by dr. fiona hill and a number of witnesses who is a solid citizen. he filed a lawsuit in the face of a subpoena, and a judge was assigned to it, judge leon. and the issues that cupper man
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