>> we don't know why it was a year. the records are old enough that we haven't received them yet. it was from '64 to '65. he became an insurance salesman. insurance executive in the meantime. wealthy insurance guy. >> flash already in -- flash forward to 2008, joined the violent crimes task force as the deputy, gave money to the sheriff's election. and brings us to today. evan, final question to you. he is 73 years old. i understand are you raising eyebrows about his age. >> yeah you know i think the first thing to say is reserve programs are a huge asset nationwide. reserves they perform, you know, just an enormous service to the community. at my own agency they performed something like $7 million in free labor per year. they take a lot of people to jail. a lot of bad people to jail. they save lots and lots lives. at the same time, you have to be trained for the situations that