held high level talks here in october with delegations from the two countries. as you mentioned, we have here greg burke who is the vatican's senior communications adviser agreeing to help shed some light on vatican diplomacy and what went on behind the scenes. what was pope francis' role in this? >> pope francis got the ball rolling. the vatican has a long standing diplomatic core used to delicate conversations. pope francis got it going. he is all about building bridges. it's what he calls the culture of encounter. i'm sure not everyone in the u.s. is happy with what's happened here. there's no doubt about that. we've already seen that. and yet he says it's always better to be talking than not talking and that's really what this was about. >> part of what's interesting about pope francis is that he surrounds himself with men who are very capable and hopefully