1st, texas is essentially the most per missive gun ownership, gun state, right? i mean, in other words, everything from where guns can be in schools to having them in your cars, to carry -- open carry -- >> taking them to church. >> all of those exist -- exactly. all of those exist in texas which just raises the question, if it is true as we often hear from critics of gun control that more, you know, people with guns stop bad people with guns, you would think texas would be, like, nirvana, right? it would be, like -- we don't have that. we have the -- i think four of the worst mass murders ever in the united states occurred in this single state. >> yeah, you know, i was talking to a texas gun owner for a while, actually, earlier, he was saying to me -- he was actually an eyewitness and he saw other people open carrying as he saw this whole thing go down, but obviously there's good guys with guns, there's bad guys with guns, but, you know, he didn didn't -- folks with the guns didn't necessarily know where to
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