of their border with the nato countries. so that is a very specific effort and i think that is kind of what we're doing is we're telegraphing a message right here that this is going to happen if you hit a certain milestone, some of the m milestones may not be known to the russians at this particular point. they only know if they hit those and that is kind of the way this is going to go forward. so we're answering there what we perceive to be their intransjens with this movement. >> should we see this as a different kind of telegraphic than what secretary of state blinken was saying just a few days ago, that talks are continuing at pace, we think they've been productive and we're going to continue having talks. this seems very different. >> well, i think that blinken, the biden administration overall wants to send a message that this is not the obama administration of 2014, that tried to rely just on diplomacy.
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