morning ahead of that meeting. turkish officials have been working really hard behind the scenes for weeks, michael, trying to negotiate, to mediate, to bring both sides to the negotiating table. they are quite optimistic. the turkish foreign minister saying he is hoping this is going to be a turning point. president erdogan hoping this would open the door to a permanent ceasefire, he says. but as you mentioned, from both sides, it seems the expectations are quite low. the ukrainian foreign minister kuleba again saying he doesn't have high expectations, but he is going to try his best. he is going to try and make the best out of it pretty much. he's also saying that he is hoping that his russian counterpart approaches these talks, in his words, in good faith and not from a propaganda perspective. really pointing out there that he knows his russian counterparts' style really well. >> reporter: when the russian