mandates for certainly those businesses of 100 or more employees would not be required or mandated to get vaccinated. we know in other countries there are fines being put in place as incentives, there's various across europe. so are any of those viable for the united states, do you think? >> yeah, i think certainly at the federal level probably not. you're not going to see a national effort in that way. but i think certainly cities, new york city has put in vaccine mandates, or i would say passports, for almost every public event. i think that clearly makes a difference. a lot of companies, andrew mccabe -- a lot of companies, apple, universities like mine, that's fine when private businesses mandate it. i'm hoping a combination of that plus cities and states acting aggressively on this issue will get us where we need to be.
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