he's well thought of. he ran the uso, he's a retired banker. he came on, i believe, in february into the va. so there is somebody you could rely on day to die if shinseki were to leave this afternoon. getting to the bigger point that barbara was making, there's only two years left. this is a political appointment, right. i'm just a reporter, i can't remake washington. but i don't know. this is a huge health care system that needs a boss that's going to make huge changes in a bureaucracy that's been there for years and years and years. maybe it's time to pick somebody who could go from one administration to the next and actually do the job of turning this around. >> good point. athena jones at the white house, if this audit is as scathing as expected, as drew has been reporting, there may be more benefit for the president to fire shinseki rather than merely
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