african rituals play out. no surprise for a man who so easily bridged differences. robyn curnow, cnn, johannesburg, south africa. >> we'll have much more on nelson mandela, his life and his legacy, that's coming up later this hour. i want to go back to carol right now. truly amazing man. i've often said it was probably the most powerful interview i ever did and i've been doing this for a long time, when i sat down with nelson mandela in capetown in the presidential residence back in 1998 and i could just feel what he had done to prevent civil war, a blood bath, in south africa. it was really an amazing experience for me. >> it's amazing to me, you know, he always appeared so charming and so friendly, but i'm sure his mind was a steel trap and behind the scenes he was much different because he was so politically savvy. could you see both sides to him when you interviewed him, wolf? >> he could not have been more