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small arms ammunition. shotguns and machine guns. that's the kind of equipment you use in urban conflict, not in open warfare. . >> you're much farther away if you're out in a field shooting a stinger or javelin. . >> the stinger going against the aircraft, the javelins going against the tanks at one mile to a mile and a half. a good javelin to an at-4, 300 yards. . >> yeah. it does put it into perspective. i wonder, as you looked at what's being provided, what was missing to you? . >> yeah. that's an interesting point. i was concerned over two issues. yes, we have provided some counter-fire radars. these are the type of radars that will detect missile sites, artillery sites, rocket sites. when those artillery rounds and rockets take off, they leave a very, very distinct signature

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