dangling pardons is that it interferes with the administration of justice. and, you know, yes, it's true he might not be president. but, i mean, again, i think s.e. is so right about this, that it's all about him. and, you know, the tragedy for his supporters, and if you read the interviews with some of the -- the fbi agents' interviews with some of these people arrested on january 6th, some of the people said i wanted to help trump. i thought we were doing what he wanted. and he has done nothing for them, ever, including paying the legal fees of the people closest to him. he doesn't even do that. so, you know, it's -- just because you might not -- he might not become president, it doesn't mean that this isn't an attempt to interfere with the legal system. . >> i just want to read quickly this statement again that the